Hating Dumbledore WAS Re: re:HatingDH/Dementors/...Draco/.../KeepSlytherin House

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> Prep0strus:
> I'm confused as to why so many people HATE Dumbledore at this point,
> especially Slytherin lovers. We learned a lot about him, and he is 
not
> perfect, by any means. But he is, by and large, good.  It sounds 
like
> many of his failings are failings we see in Slytherins - ambition,
> arrogance, secrecy, the willingness to use people for his own 
means. 
> But, his means are for GOOD.  Now, well meaning intentions don't 
mean
> you can't still do evil - one could even argue that his intentions
> with Grindelwald had some amount of altruistic intent, at least in 
his
> own mind.  but towards the end of his life, Dumbledore was devoted 
to
> defeating Voldemort - yes, he was willing to sacrifice other people
> for that cause.  But he was also willing to sacrifice himself.  He
> didn't trust other's judgment as much as his own, but how many 
people
> do? He was the most powerful, the one who had defeated a previous 
evil
> dark lord...
> 
> I'm not defending everything Dumbledore does.  He's certainly 
flawed.
>  but a 'great villain'?  There's nothing villainous about him.
> 
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Alla:

Well, do not ask me. I will take Dumbledore over Snape **any time** 
for precisely the reasons you described.

Now, I obviously cannot read anybody's mind, but I can certainly take 
a guess ( and be wrong too) as to one of the reasons why Dumbledore 
may be hated.

My guess is because Dumbledore was not kind to Snape all these years. 
Again, this is just a guess and I am not saying that this is the 
reason of why people may hate him, just a **guess**. If I am wrong, I 
am wrong.

Me - I was extremely happy with how Dumbledore treated Snape. I 
thought this was exactly what Snape deserved at the time he came to 
Dumbledore and later on, I thought Snape could leave at any time if 
he so wished.

He did not, that at least made me see that Snape really wanted to 
atone for what he did.

So, yeah, I do not know why, besides the fact that sometimes you just 
like one character and hate another of course.

 I mean, just as you said I am far from defending several 
Dumbledore's actions and if you see my old posts, I was very happy to 
critique him a lot, heheh, Dumbledore I mean.


Of course Dumbledore was ready to sacrifice people for the greater 
good, but as we discussed on OTC I see for example no difference in 
him doing that and the similar (to me) character doing that in Dark 
is  Rising.

I see no difference between Dumbledore doing that and Gandalf sending 
Frodo on the dangerous, horrible path where he will suffer.

Am I happy with Dumbledore doing that? Of course not.

But to me the key is of course that I believe that he loved Harry and 
wanted him to survive and save WW at the same time.

Did he deceive Harry at least by omission? Sure he did. Was he 
prepared to sacrifice Harry? I do not think so, I think he at least 
thought that the possibility of his survival is high.

I guess another thing is that even though I never thought of 
Dumbledore doing the deeds he was discovering to be doing in DH, I 
never thought of him as NOT doing some manipulative deeds either.

Eh, not making sense. Before DH I thought of Dumbledore as overall 
good man but who did some REALLY bad things to Harry (did not try to 
help Sirius, left Harry at Dursleys, etc).

But I have read some theories here that speculated of Dumbledore 
manipulativeness as much higher than I could ever imagine. Dumbledore 
engineered the prophecy and deliberately let Snape go to DE, staff 
like that.

To me, Dumbledore that was revealed was somehow in between the two ( 
What I thought of him and what I thought he never will be).

No, he did not become evil to me at all, because if he is by the 
reason of his past, then, Snape is so much more evil then, I believe 
that Dumbledore worked all his life to do the opposite things to what 
he thought of doing with Grindelwald.


Was he uncovered to be much more manipulative in general than I 
thought? SURE, he was, but it is still not enough to make me hate him 
all together.

In fact because of what I learned about him, I like him so much more 
now.

If as I think his affection  for Harry became first affection he 
experienced for the longest time and he had to struggle with 
balancing his manipulativeness and his love for Harry, if I am right.

Love that and as I said many times, love his remorse in King cross.

JMO,

Alla