Villain!Dumbledore (was: re:HatingDH/Dementors/...Draco/.../KeepSlytherin House)

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No: HPFGUIDX 177704

> Sherry now:
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> Then there's DD and Harry.  DD would willingly have sacrificed 
Harry for the
> so-called greater good.  I am not a fan of the greater good 
thinking.  There
> are times when the good for a few should outweigh the supposed good 
of the
> many.  Yeah, we had to get rid of Voldemort, but sacrificing a 
child to do
> it was a shameful plan, in my opinion anyway.  Maybe, he began to 
suspect
> that Harry could survive it, but when he conceived his plan, I 
doubt that he
> believed Harry would live after the great sacrifice.  I admit I 
have not
> gotten to The king's cross chapter in my very slow reread of DH, 
but I left
> the series being unhappy with DD and not liking his character much 
at all
> anymore.  Not exactly a villain, because Voldemort is the clear 
villain, but
> not a person I could respect any longer.  It will probably color 
all my
> future readings of earlier books now.  I'm glad that my interest 
was always
> mostly to do with Harry, because he still came shining through for 
me by the
> end, unlike most of the adult main characters.


Alla:

Heeee, I began to truly despise Dumbledore's action ( no still not 
him in general) not even after him leaving Harry at Dursleys per se, 
but when somebody reminded me of Sirius' remark that Potters meant 
him to be not just Harry's godfather but his guardian.

And Dumbledore knew it and took Harry from Sirius anyways. I mean, 
please, I do not want to debate Sirius' merits as a guardian, I have 
my opinion on it and  it is pretty much set in stone ( not that I am 
saying that people should not talk about it, I have no such right 
obviously, I am just saying that I personally am not interested in 
debating it), I believe that Sirius' love for Harry would made him 
pretty good one.

The reason why I am bringing it up is just to say that this action of 
Dumbledore playing god with Harry and Sirius' lives I consider to be 
quite despicable.

Yes, I know Sirius was set on revenge against Peter. NO, I do not 
think that if Hagrid was not there, he would have taken Harry with 
him to do the revenge thing. Sirius still argued with Hagrid that 
night. No, I am not taking away his share of blame for not fighting 
enough and just taking Harry and dissappearing with Harry. I am just 
saying that Dumbledore played with lives that night that I think was 
despicable.

It is funny, because for quite some time I managed to completely 
forget about this remark of Sirius and thought that Dumbledore was 
just doing his best to make sure Harry stays with relatives.


So, yeah, moving on then we had Dumbledore putting Harry with 
Dursleys which I COULD understand, hated it as I am - keeping Harry 
alive and all that, but not visiting him and making sure he is okay 
all those years?

NO, despicable again in my view.


Heeee, so I suppose  when in DH we had all those revelations I can no 
longer even think of Dumbledore as pitome of goodness, like AT ALL.

I see a screwed up man, a man who did care for wellfare of WW in 
general, while willing to sacrifice individual lives in process.

And since I do not see him as epitome of goodness and him Knowing 
that Harry was a greater man, his remorse hits all the right notes 
with me at the end, since a man who is just a regular man, I do not 
know, it is easier to forgive, maybe?

I am not a fan of for the greater good thinking myself and when 
somebody tells me that it is how it is often done in RL, I for some 
reason always remember how state of Israel fought for the hostages in 
Uganda ( just one example), showing that every life **counts**.

BUT sometimes indeed the generals who do not care for individual 
lives, hate it as I am win the wars and that is what I see Dumbledore 
trying to do.

I do not see him fighting for power either, since I think that lesson 
he learned well in his youth ( see refusing Ministry position), I 
think he indeed wanted WW to become better place and here comes child 
for whom Dumbledore started to feel affection for the first time in 
how many years, IMO.

Everything else we know, heheh.

Alla.