Kreacher Komforts - Summoning

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 177709

--- "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> wrote:
>
>  "Mike" <mcrudele78@> wrote:
>  
> > Now, was there some off-page  instruction to 
> > Kreacher to go back to Hogwarts if the Trio doesn't 
> > return? Because, of course that's the next place we
> > see him, leading the Hogwarts Elves into the battle.
> 
> Potioncat:
> Could be that because he was summoned from Hogwarts to
> tend to Harry at 12 GP, that he could presume an 
> instruction to return to Hogwarts once Harry was gone.
> It seems the Elves are pretty good at engineering 
> instructions. (Kids can be creative that way too.)
> 


bboyminn:

True, Harry summoned Kreacher to 12 Grimmauld Place to
ask him about the locket, but I don't recall Harry
every rescinding his order for Kreacher to work at
Hogwarts. So, without clear instructions to the
contrary, Kreacher was probably free to move between 
the School and the Black house. 

I suspect, that Kreacher got wind of the impending 
Battle of Hogwarts, or perhaps sensed that Harry was in
danger, and went to the school. 


> ...
> 
> 
> > Mike 
> > I also wondered why Harry didn't summon Kreacher to
> > him during the camping trip from hell? 
> > <snip> 
> > Mike, who wonders why Harry didn't think of 
> > summoning Kreacher when he was held captive in the
> > Malfoy Manor. 
> 
> Potioncat:
> So did I. As powerful as Elf magic is, you would have 
> thought someone would have put them to better use. ...

bboyminn:

On why Harry didn't think of summon Kreacher to join
them on the camping trip, I think they actually did
think of it. I recall right after Hermione took them
to the first location. It was mentioned that they
were afraid to summon Kreacher because a DE might 
come along with him. 

They apparated away after the Raid on the Ministry
during which they brought a DE back with them, and
more importantly, they brought him inside the 
protection barrier on Grimmauld Place. Meaning, by
letting him in on the Secret, he could potentially
be inside the House, and slim but possibly, might
be able to bring others into the house.

They feared that if the called Kreacher that a DE 
would latch on to him and be taken along for the 
ride, taken directly to the Trio. So, at the very
beginning they rule out calling Kreacher, and
stuck to that rule for the entire trip. 

Though personally, unless a DE chained himself to
Kreacher 24 hours a day. It would seem that summoning
Kreacher at 3 AM would have been reasonably safe.

As to why Harry didn't summon Kreacher to the Malfoy
House, I think he just plain didn't think of it. 
Harry has only been an elf owner for a little while,
and I don't think the idea appeals to him. So, he
has made an on-going effort not to call Kreacher for
every little thing. If fact, I think he has made an
effort to do his best to forget that Kreacher even
exists. So, in the heat of the moment, it didn't 
occur to him. 

Though very speculative, I wonder if it didn't have
something to do with Dobby. By that I mean, Dobby
was once a Malfoy elf. He would have had permission
to come and go from Malfoy Manor. Kreacher would 
likely not have that permission. Could be part of the
House-Elf code of conduct that you don't enter a 
house uninvited or something along that line.  

On better using the House-Elves, I whole heartedly
agree, I had been envisioning Harry enlisting the
House-Elves in the Battle of Hogwarts. They have
powerful magic and would have been a great asset.
But, I think two things complicated the matter.
First, wizards don't really think of House-Elves all
that much. They are meant to go about their duties
without being seen. Second, I don't think House-
Elves can freely use their magic. That is, they
must have expressed permission from their master
to perform magic of various types. I think that
is why the House-Elves attacked with kitchen knives
instead of magic. They didn't have specific permission
to use magic to defend Hogwarts against Death Eaters.

I think a wise person would have gone down to them and
given them both a choice as to whether to participate
in the battle or not, and then given them all full 
permission to use any and all magic to defend themselves
and the school.

For what it's worth.

Steve/bboyminn