Could Harry have saved Snape? (was Reacting to DH...)

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No: HPFGUIDX 178097

> Alla:
> > I do not remember social services knocking on Dursleys' door and 
> > announcing that they are guilty of abuse or at least of neglect. 
I 
> > did not **need** to read about social services to determine that. 
I 
> > saw what they did to Harry, in my mind, they are guilty, guilty, 
> > guilty.
> 
> Pippin:
> This actually supports my point. They were neither punished nor 
left to 
> Voldemort. Dumbledore arranged for their protection. Harry 
wondering 
> whether he would intervene to rescue Vernon foreshadows his failure 
to 
> intervene to rescue Snape.


Alla:

Depends on how you define punishment. Dursleys, despise them as I am 
did not kill anybody and Dudley even manages to change his attitude 
about Harry.

Petunia and Vernon I believe were punished as much as story allows 
to. Their sense of normalcy is no more and they have to go into 
hidings with freaks erm.... I mean wizards. Oh no, I was very happy 
with the end of Dursleys arc.


> Pippin:
<SNIP>
> To me, there has to be something in the story to account for
> the way Harry changed after The Prince's Tale. He does a lot
> of things that seem nobler than I would have expected from 
> the old Harry. He extends the protection he gained by dying
> over the whole WW, not just those he loves. He offers Voldemort
> a chance to repent that Voldemort himself recognizes as genuine.
> He takes time to tell Ron and Hermione exactly what happened
> in the pensieve and in the forest. He sets aside the Elder
> Wand. He forgives Snape for everything. He gets a Muggle driver's 
> license. He sees good in Slytherin House. 

Alla:

Oh but you see there is not to me. All that Harry does, I totally 
expected from him at the end of the story when he has all the 
information.

I already saw him saving Peter, that pretty much told me that push 
comes to shove Harry can do something extraordinary and more than 
ordinary person.

And when Harry is Christlike figure? ( Sorry, do not mean to offend 
anybody, but that is how I perceive it) That is what Christ like 
figures do IMO - they offer protection to anybody and see good in 
everybody.

So I am not going to assign Harry guilt of failure to save Snape. 
Actually no scratch that, I am not going to assume that he **should** 
feel such guilt. For all I know, he may feel that.

As to what changed Harry even more? I say his death experience, 
nothing more than that IMO.

Pippin: 
> It seems to me that Snape is Harry's Ariana, the death he
> would have tried to  prevent if he had been as decent
> a person as he thought he was. After that realization, IMO,
> it's no longer enough for him to feel that he's a decent person
> in his heart and do what his heart tells him. He has to
> consciously try to be good. 


Alla:

Wow. Sorry, not buying. Hopefully JKR did not mean for Harry to feel 
that he owes Snape  to save him, that would be Sainthood in the 
extreme to me. Not that I do not think that what Harry did for Snape 
after his death was not Sainthood already of course, but after Harry 
came back, I feel that he is different in that sense.

Dumbledore's innocent ill sister and the man who did that much evil 
to Harry? No, comparison is not working for me at all.

JMO,

Alla