Could Harry have saved Snape? (was Reacting to DH...)

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No: HPFGUIDX 178100

> zgirnius:
> I agree with you, I don't blame Harry, or McGonagall, or anyone, 
for 
> thinking Snape a murderous traitor during the course of DH. 
> Regardless of what he thinks he knows about Snape, if he walked 
away 
> from Snape not caring whether he lived or died, I would find that 
> callous and it would lower Harry in my estimation. I guess I have 
> high standards for my fictional heroes. <g>

Alla:

 I would still like Harry same. Especially since he did not leave, 
but that just makes me like him more, not vice versa.

I would NOT want Harry for example to try to kill Snape as  a revenge 
for DD death, (again not that it would make me terribly upset if he 
would try), but that is the only thing I would not want him to do in 
regard to Snape. Everything else will do as far as I am concerned.

But quick question about high standards for fictional characters, do 
you have the same high standards for Snape? Not wanting to debate his 
teachings again, but does his treatment of Harry over the years 
lowered him in your eyes at all? Because if it does not, I am sorry, 
but I do not agree that you have high standards for the fictional 
characters.

I would say you have high standards for certain fictional characters 
and low standards for others ( SORRY, you did not answer yet and I am 
already hypothecising). And that is of course your absolute right to 
do - we like some characters and do not like others( me too), I am 
just answering your assertion about "high standards", that's all.

Because I find it highly disagreeable when high standards are applied 
to innocent child, who just **has to** respect him as a teacher, 
despite Snape attacking him at first lesson and just **has to** help 
him all the evil Snape did regardless, but not to Snape.

And the but Harry is the hero, just does not cut it for me. I find it 
highly realistic, Harry's reactions to Snape, I mean. The once he had 
every right to feel and I would not have it any other way.

Not saying that this is your argument, just general response based on 
many many arguments in the past and present.

 
> zgirnius:
> I also think they are guilty of neglect. If Harry therefore left 
them 
> at the mercy of Death Eaters when he had the means to hide them, 
> would that be OK with me? Absolutely not. It would, again, lessen 
my 
> respect for Harry.

Alla:

Eh, okay. I would say that it is fine by me that Harry offered, but 
for example if they refused, if I were on Harry's place, would not 
shed a tear. But again Dursleys are to me despicable, but not Snape.


 
> zgirnius:
> I am discussing whether Harry should have helped Snape once 
Voldemort 
> left, to be clear. It is just that my reasons for believeing this 
> coincide with Pippin's as I understand hers. And my answer is yes, 
> absolutely, 100%, and his failure to think of it was disappointing 
to 
> me as a reader. I am now less sure he did fail to think of it, 
which 
> makes me happy because I like to like Harry. <g>


Alla:

Oh, that does not make so disagreeable then whether he thought of it 
or not.

At least you are not arguing that Harry should have risked his life 
**for Snape**.

I can just imagine Harry's thought - Gee, Snape, you helped me become 
an orphan and killed Dumbledore, but hey, I like to save people, let 
me try to kill Voldemort in order for you to live and maybe attack me 
brom behind.


To help Snape, who is bleeding and on the floor, sure, at least there 
is no danger for Harry to do so. But as you said, maybe he sort of 
tried.

Helping somebody who needs medical attention even if he is an enemy, 
yes, sure.

But Snape, oh dear, if he wanted to he could gase in those green eyes 
and see respect for so many years. 
 
> > Alla:
> > If he did not help because he thought that is one DE killing 
> another 
> > and that is all there is to it, I am fine with it too.
> 
> zgirnius:
> I guess I am just pickier than you. Lucky for me, it seems The Hero 
> (Harry) and my personal favorite hero (Snape) both live up to what 
I 
> would want from them.


Alla:

Yes, Harry totally lived to my expectations, flaws and all that.

And so funny that I am content with how Snape ended up as well.

OMG, just think, how funny it is, I still feel the need to talk 
about this characters as if they are real people. Book is done and 
Harry lives and Snape died only on the pages and I am still happy 
that Harry survived and greasy git is dead. As my coworker said we 
get to know them as real family, heheh.

All I can say Bravo JKR :)

Later, Zara. Leaving my computer for now.

Alla