I am so happy. There is a gay couple in canon after all.
sistermagpie
sistermagpie at earthlink.net
Sat Oct 20 04:43:18 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 178121
Alla:
>
> I am afraid I do not accept the dispute, LOL. What Magpie said I
can
> accept if transcript turns out to have the *unrequited* part,
> although
> even then DD and Grindelwad can still be gays, no?
Magpie:
You mean just that Grindenwald could be gay too? Sure, I guess so.
But "unrequited love affair" in this series seems straightforwardly
to say that Dumbledore liked him and Grindenwald didn't like him back
that way. If they had just had a love affair I wouldn't describe it
that way just because Dumbledore felt more strongly than Grindenwald.
I wouldn't call Ron/Lavender unrequited, for instance. It just seems
like needlessly giving the wrong idea if she meant that Grindenwald
did return his attraction but just not the level of love. He requited
it up to a point.
Alla:
> I seem to remember one of my favorite writers ever Neil Gaiman
> mentioning once that one of his characters in Neverwhere is gay and
> that he did not mention it absolutely deliberately.
>
> He did not want character to be defined by his sexual orientation,
> maybe JKR had same rationale in mind.
Magpie:
I don't think that really applies here, just because first, he's
Dumbledore. How could he only be defined by that? But more
importantly, I can't see why this wouldn't be made explicit if it
were a het romance. It would be a major motivation for some of
Dumbledore's actions. It's one thing to leave it out if it's not
relevant, but why present an important relationship as not being
about that kind of love when it is? That would be important. And this
world is so conservative and heteronormative that's even more reason
to make it explicit, defining or not! Imo, obviously. You find time
to plaster Sirius' walls with hot chicks and pair off students and
adults madly, go ahead and tell us!
That said, reading it I actually did personally put in DD/GG when I
read it. Only I thought it was requited and they had a great, heady
romance that whole summer until it ended, you know, badly. I would
never have left that out if I were writing the book! It wouldn't have
taken much. I'm surprised Aberforth could keep his mouth shut.
-m
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