Warriors (was: The problems with DD being gay)

[cubfanbudwoman]

No: HPFGUIDX 178266

va32h:
> > You know I always thought Dumbledore was too hard on himself 
> > about the Grindelwald thing.  Why was it Dumbledore's sole 
> > responsibility to bring down Gellert?  Sure, Albus was the most 
> > talented wizard of his day, but he wasn't the only talented 
> > wizard.  He wasn't a politician or a warrior, he was a 
> > schoolteacher.

Del: 
> Actually, DD was already settling into some political positions, 
> like in the Wizengamot, back when he was still in school (British 
> Youth Representative to the Wizengamot). And I don't think he got 
> to be Supreme Mugwump of the International Confederation of Wizards 
> by keeping his head low. So yes, he was a politician. As for being a
> warrior: all wizards are warriors, as Molly demonstrated in DH.
> Carrying a wand is carrying a mortal weapon, as Ariana's death sadly
> proved. But anyway: I don't think that the WW so much expected DD to
> rid them of GG, as to at least *try*. Sure, they figured that if he
> tried he would probably win anyway, but what they were really
> clamouring for was for DD to at least *try* to help them.


SSSusan:
I know this wasn't at ALL the main point of what you two were 
discussing, but as to DD being a warrior or not... I guess I think of 
him very much as a warrior.  He was the originator and acknowledged 
head of the Order of the Phoenix, which was a group set up to fight 
Voldemort & his Death Eaters.  Does that not make him a warrior?

OTOH, I disagree with the remark that "all wizards are warriors, as 
Molly demonstrated in DH."  IMO Molly was a warrior precisely because 
she, like DD, chose to be in the Order of the Phoenix.  But many 
other wizards and witches were NOT warriors!  We do see each witch or 
wizard armed with a potentially deadly weapon, yes, but we do not see 
each witch or wizard deciding to become a *warrior,* as Molly & DD 
each did.  

Look at all the kids at Hogwarts who elected to join the DA and/or to 
fight there at the end of DH... as opposed to those who did not.  To 
me, that's the same as any witch or wizard who chose to *freely* join 
the Order or the DEs.  Anyone who did is a warrior; the many who did 
not are not.

As to whether or not the masses expected DD to defeat GG, I 
definitely agree with Del that they expected him to at least try.  My 
reading of DH led me to believe that DD was expected, in the same way 
that Harry was expected in his era, to go try for the simple reason 
that many believed them the only ones capable of pulling off the deed.

Whether or not that was *fair* (which is what I believe va32h was 
actually getting at, above) is another matter.  However, I do believe 
it is what people in the WW wanted and even expected, yes.

Siriusly Snapey Susan