D... M... / D... a.../ Goblin's view on property

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 176603

---  "dumbledore11214" <dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
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> Steve:
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> >> I'm not excusing Harry. I think he should have been
> > honest and 'up front'. But, in my mind, Griphook's
> > betrayal was far worse than Harry's.
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> Alla:
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> I guess we are at agree to disagree point then - sort 
> of. Because while I agree that Goblin had clear intent
> to betray Harry to much worse fate than Harry intended
> to not giving him sword right away, I still think that
> two wrongs do not make right.
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> Alla
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bboyminn:

No question that two wrongs don't make a right, but
certainly you must agree that crimes and wrongs come
in degrees. I mean we don't give people a death 
sentence for Jay-Walking, and we don't hand out
$20 citations for murder. There is a definite element
of degree and measure here. 

In a sense, we see in Harry and Griphook the same
attitude we see in Ron when he becomes Prefect; I'm
going to get him and his mates before they get me
and mine. 

I feel that Griphook knew from the beginning he was 
going to betray Harry. And by ever sense and 
definition of the word, he did. Now Harry was merely
fiddling with technicalities. He was going to live
up to his end of the bargain. He was going to give 
the Sword, he just never said when. I'm sorry but
that seems very small compared to what Griphook did.

And while we are at it, let's take a moment to step
back and look at Goblins as a whole. These are not
fluffy little bunnies. They seem mean and cruel, and
unmoved by the intent or act of twisting a deal to 
suit themselves, and even by outright betrayal.

So, two wrongs really don't make a right, but one
really bad and disastrous wrong is certainly 
worse than a technical misunderstanding.

Still, do have a tiny bit of sympathy for Griphook.
I think it meant something to him that Harry would
treat him and negotiate with him as an equal, and 
would agree to something that I'm sure Griphook 
never thought Harry would agree to. I think to
some extent, Griphook needed to hear Harry say it.
Say that he would give him the Sword. 

Once that little courtesy  was out of the way, 
Griphook planned to screw Harry royally.

But then, that's just my opinion.

Steve/bboyminn