Dark Magic

[mesmer44]

No: HPFGUIDX 176639

> Carol:
> Which "good, courageous, noble, tolerant, superior Gryffindors"
> are you referring to? The Gryffindors I know may be courageous, but
> they're rule breakers, often rude or tactless, sometimes arrogant,
> and intolerant of any House except their own most of the time.
> (Hermione has her causes, notably SPEW, but she's mistaken about
> their views, trying to impose her idea of what's right on them,
> and she doesn't mind engaging in occasional blackmail. Neither do
> the Twins.) So, except for Harry's sacrifice at the end of DH,
> his "saving people" thing, which is more likely to cause problems
> than to solve them, and the friendship of the Trio, which survives
> despite some rather severe testing, I'd be hard-pressed to call
> the Gryffindors noble. <snip> And what's interesting *to me* is that
> the Slytherins have their virtues, love and courage for Snape and
> Regulus, family solidarity for the Malfoys, loyalty for Phineas
> Nigellus, and a kind of genial coming through in a pinch for
> Slughorn.  Until HBP, we didn't really see the various Slytherins
> as people, but in the last two books we do. And so, I think, does
> Harry.

Winterfell:
   I think there are plenty of examples of Gryffindors being noble
and even more importantly, brave throughout the novels.  With bravery
and courage as the qualities most exemplified by Gryffindor we have:
Ron sacrificing himself in the chess match in SS; Harry's going after
the Sorceror's stone; Harry rescuing Ginny in CoS; the rescue of
Buckbeak and Sirius in PoA; Harry trying to rescue Gabrielle and Ron
and Hermione in GoF; Harry going with DD to try and destroy a horcrux
in HBP; and all that Harry and many other Gryffindors did in DH to
fight LV and the DE's.  These are just a few instances of acts of
bravery and/or nobility by Gryffindors.  Can anyone cite others?