Dark Magic (+ a little Marietta)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 176801

> --- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
> <dumbledore11214@> wrote:
> > I had argued in the past that JKR intended Marietta to be mini 
> > Pettigrew of the sort - not AS serious, but in essense the same. 
I 
> > happen to think that it is so. <SNIP> 
Mus responds: 
> 
> But Pettigrew was an adult.  Marietta, in OotP, was not.  We know 
> that 
> she was in a position where her loyalties were likely to be torn, 
and 
> we know that because we're told it in a book which features a 
> teenaged, 
> SHOUTY!1! immature Harry, sulking when Ron is made Prefect, 
smashing 
> Dumbledore's gadgets and generally lapsing into spoilt-child 
> behaviour. <SNIP>


Alla:

Well, yes and that is why IMO Marietta does not get killed with self 
strangling silver hand, doesn't she?

See, I do not believe that JKR meant to distinguish much between the 
**act** itself - act of treachery I mean, only between severity of 
it.

Pettigrew was delivering information on his best friends and 
comrades for a year in essense, no?

Marietta delivering an information about her friends and comrades 
**once**. The only differences I see, is well, that the people whom 
Marietta betrayed were not killed. But as I also said in the past to 
me the possibility of them being expelled, all twenty something 
members of DA was quite clear and possibility of Azkaban - well, 
close enough.

Do we **know** that Marietta was torn? Well, frankly no I do not. 
There was a hints of that, sure, but did I see it closely? Nope, not 
at all.

I am being repetitive, but there was a perfect way IMO to establish 
Marietta as torn teenager, making a stupid choice - she could have 
went to her **mother** and told about DA IMO. JKR did not show that.

She could have shown that Umbridge beat information out of her in 
essense, but no I do not see that either.

So again IMO conclusion that Marietta willfully and deliberately 
**went to Umbridge** on her own is a valid reading.

Mus:
<SNIP>
> I'm not saying that Marietta was right.  I'm saying that we're 
given 
> a 
> portrait of a teenager who makes the wrong choice - albeit one her 
> mother would have wanted her to make - and gets scarred for life 
by 
> Hermione.  It's a pretty mean way to treat a child.

Alla:

And I understand and disagree. I think we **could** have seen what 
you describe, but IMO it remains ambiguous at best, and may I say 
IMO **nobody** treated Marietta that way. Nobody. The hex was 
designed to mark a **traitor**, any traitor. So, nobody was 
targetting Marietta as person, the target was IMO the act of 
treachery.

JMO,

Alla