Dark Magic (+ a little Marietta)

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 176809

> Mus understands and disagrees too.  :-):
> 
> There's two different things going on, I think.
> 
> The first is straightforwardly Hermione's actions.  While you're 
right 
> to say that the target was anyone who told, and not Marietta in 
> particular, in a way that makes it worse (for me).  Hermione acted 
as 
> judge and executioner (metaphorically) on anyone who told, 
regardless 
> of who it was or what the circumstances were.  It was untargetted 
> retribution; in a word, unjust.  
> <snip of the quote, go UPTHREAD to read it>

Alla:

Or Hermione acted as someone who attempted to defend herself and her 
friends who acted in opposition to Umbridge regime. 

Mus:
>> The second is JKR's actions.  She made the choice to show us a 
child 
> who we know had torn loyalties - torn at least between her mother 
and 
> her friend Cho.  That's part of being a teenager, but JKR punishes 
a 
> child for life for making the wrong choice (and doesn't punish 
Percy at 
> all).  It's merciless. 

Alla:

What is merciless? That fifteen year old who brought to Umbridge the 
futures of her friends gets scars for life? In the books I consider 
it just.

This is the book where people her age fight against Voldemort, 
people a year older than her plot to kill headmasters and have no 
problem trying to kill other people too ( Crabb and Goyle). 

I think JKR actually puts a lots of meaning in "You should have died 
for us, just as we would have died for you" words. ( yeah, to 
prevent questions I think Sirius did truly mean it, but that was not 
meant to talk only about Marauders IMO)

And what do you mean Percy is not punished? Percy turned on his 
family, true. I do not remember though Percy betraying anybody as 
literally as Marietta did IMO. Did somebody suffer any damage 
because of Percy falling out with his family?

I mean Molly cried a lot, they were upset, etc, but who suffered 
because of what Persy did otherwise?

I cannot stand Percy, but I disagree that what he did deserves same 
thing as what Marietta did.

Oh, and I think he was punished a plenty. His first joke killed his 
brother, literally. I think he is bound to have nightmares for life 
about it. Maybe he will learn to realise that if he learned to not 
take himself so seriously long time ago, that would have been better.


Muz:
 And because she chose not to define Dark Magic, 
> because she chose to have Gryffindors do some pretty nasty things, 
she 
> is giving a pretty murky picture of what good and evil are in her 
> world.  This isn't a world where good people are sometimes faced 
with 
> doing bad things for the right reasons (we live in one of those) - 
it's 
> a world where a bad thing is not a bad thing if a White Hat does 
it.  
> Ugly stuff done by White Hats is either played for comedy, or 
justified 
> without question. <SNIP>

Alla:

Eh, for **this** reader I have quite a good idea of good and evil in 
her world. And, ugly stuff by white hats justified without question? 
I think it is time for me to agree to disagree.

Muz:
<SNIP>
 For this reader, there's 
> a lot of hatred in these books.

Alla:

Lost of hatred?  Definitely that time for me.