Marietta and Pettigrew WAS: Re: Dark Magic (+ a little Marietta)

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No: HPFGUIDX 176844

> Carol responds:
> <snip>
> As an aside, had she gone to anyone else (her mother or her HoH,
> Flitwick) the jinx would still have taken effect--and it would still
> have had no effect whatsoever as a *deterrent* to snitching since
> neither she nor anyone else but Hermione knew that Hermione had 
jinxed
> the parchment.
<snip>


Alla:

Sure, most likely. My point is though that if she would have went to 
her mother, it would caused **me** as a reader to see her in more 
sympathetic light than I see now. I would have seen some reason to 
see her as **torn teenager** and not as close as to what Pettigrew 
did.

But she did not; she went to Umbridge, on her own AFAIR.



Eggplant107 wrote:
> > We're talking about a teacher more than willing to use torture and
> > even death as a punishment, and please don't tell me Marietta 
didn't
> > know that, if she didn't understand what sort of person that 
teacher
> > was she was indeed a moral imbecile. 
> 
> Mus is puzzled: 
> 
> At the time that Marietta divulged all, how did she know this?  
Harry 
> and the reader know that Umbridge is willing to use torture, but he 
> is rather unwilling to tell even Ron and Hermione.  Does he tell 
the 
> rest of the DA?  If he does, then I can't find it, though I'm more 
> than open to correction.
> 
> I agree that Marietta would be pretty dim if she didn't realize 
that 
> Umbridge was strict and that the school had become a rather 
draconian 
> place, complete with an Inquisitorial Squad an' all, but it's 
> entirely possible that she was getting a different view on Umbridge 
> from home.  She can't see the world through Harry's POV - we can.
<SNIP>


Alla:

Completely with Eggplant on this point. Well, I do not share his 
conviction that Marietta got off easy or she needed to be shot, but I 
certainly do not think that she was treated unfairly. 

I do not see how in order to see what kind of "creature" (cannot call 
her human being, sorry) Umbridge is Marietta has to be in Harry POV. 
Her educational decrees were there for whole school to see and read, 
are they not?

There was also a more important hint, which I though not hundred 
percent sure of, since OOP is the book I know worst (Thanks Dolores 
dear - cannot stand reading about you).

I think there was a brief mention in there somewhere that Harry was 
**not** the only person who got blood quill detentions. So, do I 
think it is a reasonable assumption to make that Marietta would have 
gotten the word from other students, if not from Harry? Yes, I do. 
But I would not be able to find a quote. I hope I did not dream it up.

And Marietta still went to the person who tortured students with 
blood quill.  Nope, no sympathy from me.

> Alla:
> 
>  
> 
> Or Hermione acted as someone who attempted to defend herself and 
her 
> friends who acted in opposition to Umbridge regime.
> 
>  
> 
> Angel:
> 
>  
> 
> Absolutely not!!!  This was no defensive act on Hermione's part.  
It was no
> preemptive.  Who did she hope to defend by this trickery?  No one 
that I
> could see, Harry only got off because of Dumbledore's trickery.
> 
>  
> 
> Hermione had no part in anyone's defense here.  Defense would imply 
there
> was a means to do something to protect everyone.  Hermione's spell 
was
> retribution pure and simple.  If you told, you get scarred.   There 
is no
> liplock spell in action here to pre-empt telling.


Alla:

That's your opinion. Mine is that while her defense could surely been 
better executed, the idea of seeing the traitor with the word 
**SNEAK** would allow the rest of DA to do **something** this very 
moment.

I mean, hex would have supposed to show off the moment traitor 
committed the act, I think it could have bought them some time.

So, who could Hermione hoped to defend? I say all members of the DA 
who risked a lot if Umbridge caught them IMO.

Liplock spell would have been nice actually. But the idea as I see it 
was to stop traitor from at least continue doing what he was doing.

Pettigrew was selling information for a **year**. Thanks to Hermione -
 ONCE would have been the most what traitor of the DA would have been 
able to do, since everybody would have seen him, no?

JMO,

Alla