Marietta

[Angel Lima]

No: HPFGUIDX 176866

Alla:

 

I am also fascinated that both Pettigrew and Marietta did not just 
delivered information on other people, they delivered information 
about their best friends. I mean, Cho *was* there after all, member 
of the DA as everybody else. Did Marietta care in the slightest? I 
did not seem to notice.

 

Angel:

 

Actually it would seem Cho herself had "other" reasons to "be there" at the
initiation of DA (as most others) and Marietta succumbed to the pressure to
tag along, and eventually join.  Cho said she made her come with her (or
sthing of that extent).  Cho later lost interest as Harry lost interest in
Cho.  Marietta thus had less reason to be loyal to the DA when the person
she joined the DA for was herself losing interest, whereas the pressure was
heavy on her mother and b!tch Umbridge's propaganda was a noose closing in.

 

Alla:

 

<snip>He was executed anyways. I cried, but his guy's torment and remorse 
was shown really convincingly. I saw no sign of torment with Marietta.

 

Angel:

 

That's because her memory had been modified as you had earlier lauded meant
she had nothing to be remorseful of (skuse my paraphrasing), so she
basically carried the scars of a sin she knew not. yep great children's
book! hope children don't delve as far as we have.

 

Alla:

 

<snipping a lot again sorry!>  

I think there was a brief mention in there somewhere that Harry was 
**not** the only person who got blood quill detentions. So, do I 
think it is a reasonable assumption to make that Marietta would have 
gotten the word from other students, if not from Harry? Yes, I do. 
But I would not be able to find a quote. I hope I did not dream it up.

 

Angel:

 

This is your response to Mus' point about Marietta not necessarily knowing
that Umbridge was a murderer.  I agree with him/her and this basically is to
further extrapolate on it as you disagreed vehemently.  Until the very end
when she physically threatened Hermione, Ginny and the rest I too did not
think Umbridge was capable of murder.  She was however capable of much
worse.  Emotional, mental and psychological torture have always been worse
to me than physical brutality but that is beside the point <g>  We do know
and see Umbridge through Harry's eyes.  In the beginning Harry only thought
her ugly, ludicrous even. 

 

 It was Hermione who instilled that she was much worse until Harry himself
was at the end of her quill.  You must remember that the trio and the OotP
have no regular contact with Marietta and her circles.  Dumbledore was
publicly in support, at the very least cordial and respectful of Umbridge
and all things MoM.  Dumbledore was belittled by the Daily prophet, general
knowledge evinced Harry and Dumbledore twats and going against the MoM for
their own selfish reasons.  What did anyone offer to the contrary?  Nothing
but threats from the twins for anyone who dared ridicule Harry.  People who
turned up to try and understand were made to sign a legally binding magical
contract that would brand them a traitor for life for no other reason than
pure vengeance; a much bigger TIT for tat.

 

 

Alla:

 

That's your opinion. Mine is that while her defense could surely been 
better executed, the idea of seeing the traitor with the word 
**SNEAK** would allow the rest of DA to do **something** this very 
moment.



Angel:

 

I thought it was canon not just my opinion <g>.  What does buying time do
for anyone here?  The witch has her witness already, she only needed to
catch Harry in the act because once Marietta caught sight of her unsightly
face she stopped talking.  Had she not caught her reflection she could have
sung til Voldemort arrived in DH and the army all expelled and locked up or
worse before her disfigurement deterred her.  As it is therefore, Hermione's
trickery remains just that of vengeance - to let the whole world know who
the sneak was serving no "deterrent" "defensive" purpose.  

Alla:

Liplock spell would have been nice actually. But the idea as I see it 
was to stop traitor from at least continue doing what he was doing.

Pettigrew was selling information for a **year**. Thanks to Hermione -
ONCE would have been the most what traitor of the DA would have been 
able to do, since everybody would have seen him, no?

Angel:

Apologies if I sound anally repetitive here <beg>, I just do not see how
Hermione saved the day here with her trickery! Stop the traitor from
continuing to do what they were doing?  How did Hermione manage that in this
instance?

By making them hideously ugly???? :(  Making someone hideously ugly still
does not PREVENT THEM FROM SPILLING THE BEANS as Marietta still could have
done had not her memory been modified!  She was about to nod when halfway
through she shook her head.  Peter was a rat for 12 years and was still a
mole, was beaten, belittled, treated like vermin constantly by Voldemort but
was still his servant.  

Again I stress what Hermione did was to declare the traitor as that,
traitor, not to save anyone or buy anyone time. :)  But I could be swayed
otherwise if there is proof to the contrary.