Marietta and Pettigrew/ a little of Bathilda + the snake

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No: HPFGUIDX 176896

> Carol responds:
<SNIP>
Only one other student in OoP receives a
> similar detention, Lee Jordan, for telling Umbridge that she's
> violating her own decree for telling the Weasley Twins not to play
> Exploding Snap in class (OoP Am. ed. 551). <SNIP>

Alla:

Thank you. If only one student received this detention then sure, it 
is not as likely as I thought that Marietta knew about blood quill 
detentions, although I still see it as possible - Lee is a social 
guy IMO.

Nevertheless, I stand by my opinion that what Marietta **saw** of 
Umbridge, namely what her decrees stated , if nothing else, made her 
a moral imbecile in my view, if she thought it was Okay to support 
her.

One of her decrees says that anybody who has Quibbler would be 
expelled, would it not? And many others just as tyranically absurd 
in my view.

Marietta has eyes and ears. I think what she saw should have been 
enough to know what Umbridge is. 


Alla:
>
> Marietta has never passed on any damaging information in canon?
> Okay, I guess we disagree more than I thought. I consider what she
> passed to Umbridge to be very damaging.

Julie:
<SNIP>
Please reread. I said she never passed on ANY OTHER damaging
information in canon that we know of, unlike motormouth Peter.
Of course she tattled on the DA, and that was potentially quite
damaging, though in reality it was only damaging to herself.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Yes, reread. Sorry about that.


Julie:
<SNIP>
I personally think it is a gross misjudgment to characterize
Marietta by this one incident (when there is no other similar
canon on her supposedly evil character) as someone like Peter,
who has tons of canon showing his incredibly deficient and evil
character both *before* as well as after his defining moment of
betrayal. Let me reiterate that Peter *didn't* start out the way
Marietta did, betraying his friends out of divided loyalties
or even out of fear, as he could have refused to be their
Secret-Keeper with Voldemort none the wiser. He was well on
his way when he added that betrayal to his already considerable
crimes.)
<SNIP>

Alla:

Then so be it a gross misjudgment on my part ( and JKR's). I am 
ready to agree to disagree but wanted to address this point. For me 
Peter's betrayal **started** a year before he sold Potters to 
Voldemort- namely when he started giving Information to Voldemort or 
whoever approached him. I can totally see that starting same way or 
close to what Marietta did. After all, he was supposedly eighteen 
when he started doing it, wasn't it?

Let me repeat to me that is what started his betrayal. I do not see 
him giving info as anything less than such. Only for a year he was 
betraying whole Order IMO not just his best friends.


JMO,

Alla