Marietta yet again.

[Steve]

No: HPFGUIDX 176928

--- "eggplant107" <eggplant107 at ...> wrote:
>
>  "Carol" <justcarol67@> wrote:
> 
> > you forget that Marietta not only 
> > doesn't know Harry (she's in a 
> > different House and a different year)
> 
> Many LOYAL DA members were in different houses and 
> different years and many had parents who worked for
> the ministry (including Marietta's best friend CHO). 
> And Marietta had been with Harry for about 6 months
> in the DA, and must have heard wonderful stories about
> what Harry did before his more controversial 5th year;
> and yet you ask me to say that it is reasonable for 
> somebody who is not a moral imbecile to conclude
> that Umbrage is a better person than Harry. I don't 
> think so!
> 

bboyminn:

On the subject in general, and to those defending
Marietta, I ask, when and where did Marietta hear 
Harry conspiring against the Ministry? When in
any DA meet or in the time between DA meeting do we
ever hear Harry and the gang conspiring to overthrow
the evil empire and instill Dumbledore as supreme
leader over all? 

Those conversation never happened. Further the idea
that Dumbledore wants to take over is somewhat
private. It is Minster Fudge's belief which is 
supported by Umbridge, but when is this ever 
publically declared? Never, that's when. 

True Harry mentions it at, I believe, the first 
formal DA meeting. But the idea is generally scoffed
at and thought of as ridiculous. From that point on
it is never discussed again. 

In fact, Harry has just release his Quibbler interview
and the Wizard World and the students are throwing 
their support behind Harry. The article convinces
many, not all-but many, that Harry is telling the
truth. 

In the DA classes, Harry concentrates on defensive
spells that are standard and common; though certainly
some are advanced. Still, many of them are likely to 
come up on the OWL tests. So, I reject all claims 
that they are engaged in any subversive activity, 
and fully and absolutely reject any notion that they
were engaged in any form of criminal sedition.

Marietta is there in the DA classes. She knows what
is going on and what is being said, and that provides
her with no evidence of wrong doing beyond breaking
a few clearly corrupt and self-serving school rules. 

As to Umbridge, given that all the teacher and a 
majority of the students are against her, it seems 
clear that /they all/ know who the good guys and the
bad guys are. A person would have to be blind and
foolish not to see how corrupt and controlling
Umbridge and the Ministry's actions are. 

One final note; Marietta actually gave away very 
little information. The bulk of what we hear is
really Umbridge filling in the blanks with what
she wants to be happening. Marietta said just
enough to invoke the cursed contract and then wisely
shut her mouth. From the point on, in my view, it
is just Umbridge making it up as she goes. Umbridge
has an agenda, and what I see is Umbridge making up
'facts' that serve her agenda. 

That said, I do have a small bit of sympathy for 
Marietta. I'm sure she was torn between what she
was being told was right and what she felt was
right. She's not the first person on earth to 
trust what she was told inspite of what her gut
was telling her. It's actually, and sadly, quite
common.

Or so says I.

Steve/bboyminn