Myrtle and Olive (and Tulip)
Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)
catlady at wicca.net
Sat Sep 22 17:59:00 UTC 2007
No: HPFGUIDX 177310
Lizzyben wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/177176>:
<< the entire Potterverse sort of encourages us to take the POV of the
abuser rather than the victim. We're supposed to laugh at pathetic
Moaning Myrtle, >>
Moaning Myrtle Is pathetic -- she's clearly not a happy person, and I
have been wondering if there is some way a ghost can resume passage to
her 'next great adventure', in the hope she'll find some mental health
improvement or soul healing there.
But she's the victim of Tom Riddle and the basilisk, which whom the
text never encouraged us to identify. I think we were supposed to feel
sorry for the 13 year old girl who was suddenly and unexpectedly murdered.
At the time of her death, she was crying because Olive Hornby teased
her about her glasses. The live Myrtle may have been the victim of
Olive the bully -- I think the text encourages us to take that view by
analogy between Hermione hiding in the bathroom to cry when Ron was
mean to her and Myrtle hiding in the bathroom to cry because Olive was
mean to her.
But after her death, Olive seems to have been the victim and Myrtle
the abuser: "And then I came back again. I was determined to haunt
Olive Hornby, you see. Oh, she was sorry she'd ever laughed at my
glasses." (CoS, and, incidentally, a reason other than fear why some
wizarding people become ghosts.)
In GoF, Myrtle happily (!) gloats about bullying Olive: "Took them
hours and hours to find my body I know, I was sitting there waiting
for them. Olive Hornby came into the bathroom 'Are you in here
again, sulking, Myrtle?' she said. 'Because Professor Dippet asked me
to look for you ' And then she saw my body ... ooooh, she didn't
forget it until her dying day, I made sure of that ... followed her
around and reminded her, I did, I remember at her brother's wedding "
To the point that Olive got a restraining order against her: " and
then, of course, she went to the Ministry of Magic to stop me stalking
her, so I had to come back here and live in my toilet."
Lizzyben wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/177305>:
<< JKR is a member of the Church of Scotland, which was founded on
Calvinistic principles. The official Church doctrine is contained in a
document called the "Westminster Confession", which was written in
1647 & remains church law. The Confession preaches double
predestination, salvation of the Elect, condemnation of the reprobate,
and the five points of TULIP. >>
What does TULIP stand for?
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