Dark Book - Blood and Cruelty/ Draco

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No: HPFGUIDX 177313

> > >>Alla:
> > I would like to ask you to please respect mine enough 
without      
> > implying that JKR manipulates me.
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> Oh, I'm not implying. <bg>  Seriously, the fact is Harry is a BMOC 
> but *Harry* doesn't see himself that way.  It's not a position 
he's 
> interested in having.  Therefore he doesn't think himself as BMOC, 
> therefore readers can fool themselves into thinking he's not a 
BMOC.  
> But he is.  Therefore the idea that he's not a BMOC is the result 
of 
> JKR manipulating her readers into seeing him as not a BMOC.
><SNIP>

Alla:

So, let me be sure I understand. You are absolutely sure that Harry 
is BMOC and the readers who see it differently just fooling 
themselves with JKR help. And the purpose of this debate is what? 
For you to proclaim over and over again that your interpretation is 
a fact?

Thank you, I think I understand your position. I am going to answer 
one more point below because it is a missinterpetation of my words, 
which I do not wish to be left unanswered and I will try to be done 
with this debate.

 
> > >>Alla:
> > I mean, she is manipulating me but in a different sense that I 
> > understood you to imply. She manipulates me in a sense that 
I      
> > follow her story, that I enjoy it, etc, but it is not 
a            
> > manipulation really, it is a good solid writing I love.
> > <snip>
> 
> Betsy Hp:
> That's exactly the sort of manipulation I'm talking about.  Just 
as 
> it'd be boring for us to read about a "story-book hero" facing 
peril 
> we know he's going to get out of (as he's the hero), it's boring 
> watching the BMOC smear a regular guy.  So JKR gets us to forget 
that 
> Harry is better liked than Draco, that whenever they clash Harry 
> wins, and that Harry has more people backing him up.  That way we 
get 
> that viseral "Yay!" when Harry beats Draco down.  It's good 
writing 
> on JKR's part, and that's the manipulation I'm talking about.
> 
> (Of course, it didn't work on me, but I'm not saying it's because 
I'm 
> smarter or anything.  The Draco vs. Harry thing is more personal 
> taste, I suspect.  I know JKR meant for us to be turned off Draco 
in 
> his first scene, but Draco pinged things I like.  Which means my 
> interpertation is subversive.  Deeply subversive as of DH. <g>)


Alla:

And **I** was not talking of this sort of manipulation that you are 
claiming at all. I was simply equaling this "manipulation" with any 
sort of good writing.

It is as if you would say that Tolstoy "manipulates" me to like 
Prince Andrew, while I would say that he is simply writing the 
terrific character and in many ways cool person and while I 
understand why Natasha character betrayed him, I am fully and 
completely with Andrew and have a massive sympathy for him.

What you claim as manipulation, I call just a writing and the ideas 
that resonate with me. I believe that I have reasons to see Draco as 
bad guy, as very bad child , as disgusting teenager, and that is why 
I cannot stand him.

I believe that my dislike of somebody who wants the muggleborns to 
die is **objective**  and somebody whom I would not spare a minute 
of my time in RL. After he would proclaim his views of course.

Or it is as if you would say that Dostoevsky **manipulates** me into 
liking Raskolnikov.

I did not mean that JKR manipulates me in hating Draco at all, I was 
talking about her writing in general.

JMO,

Alla