Dark Book - Draco - Calvinism

[Carol]

No: HPFGUIDX 177355

Mus wrote:
> 
> For this poster, this rings rather true to what I read in the books,
especially in HBP and DH.  Using Unforgiveable Curses, tricking
goblins, identity theft, the use of dark magic and so on by the White
Hats seems to be the assertion that they are under no obligation to
behave in a certain manner, specifically one that differentiates them
from the Black Hats.  <snip>

Carol responds:

I want to respond only to one tiny portion of this post even though I
disagree with most of it. (I do appreciate the additional links to
info on antinomianianism, however.)

You speak of "tricking goblins," but Griphook (whom Harry had carried
to safety and whose broken legs had been healed and fed and given
refuge in a safe house by wizards) was not tricked. 

Aside from the dubiousness of his claim to the Sword of Gryffindor
(which was made for, not stolen by, Gryffindor and had his name on it,
as well as magical properties that could return it to any Gryffindor
under the right conditions of need and valor), Griphook didn't trust
the wizards to give it to him, either after he had helped them or when
they were through with it, so he took it before it was given in
payment and, after helping them break into the vault and telling Harry
to Imperio both the goblin Bogrod and the Death Eater Travers so that
HRH could take the cup to use it against Voldemort (he knew perfectly
well that it wasn't being stolen for personal gain), ran to the other
goblins and the DE affiliated wizards running Gringotts and told them
that the vault had been robbed, not only taking the Sword they needed
to destroy the Horcruxes and end his "race's" oppression as well as
that of house-elves and Muggleborns, but betraying his fellow
conspirators, putting the lives of the people he had promised to help
at great risk. He got them *into* the vault, but even after Harry had
pulled him from the multiplying, burning mound of silver and gold
under which he could have died painfully, he had no intention of
getting them out. In fact, if it hadn't been for the dragon, HRH would
have been killed thanks to Griphook.

While I don't fully approve of Harry's conduct and methods in this
book and really wish that he hadn't used the Cruciatus Curse, I have
no objections to HRH's use of Griphook "for the greater good" (a
necessary step in the destruction of Voldemort), especially since he
was as wily as any Slytherin and as untrustworthy as Peter Pettigrew.
They had no other means of retrieving the cup from the vault at
Gringotts. 

BTW, I doubt that Bellatrix suffered from the theft of her identity,
however much she suffered for the theft of the Horcrux. Considering
that she and Lucius pushed others out of the way in their flight to
safety, leaving the messengers to be killed for bearing bad news, I
can't feel any pity for her plight. (And she returned to LV more
fanatically devoted than ever, but that's Bellatrix for you.) Nor do I
think that the Muggles whose identity Harry and Hermione borrowed in
the Godric's Hollow fiasco suffered any loss whatever. HH were nearly
killed, but had they really been Muggles, they'd have been perfectly safe.

Carol, glad that the sword came to valiant Neville when it did rather
than remaining with greedy Griphook, whose name may indicate his
devious covetousness