Antinomianism - Draco - the DA

[juli17 at aol.com]

No: HPFGUIDX 177370

 
Mike:
Voldemort is not dead either. He's at the same Way Station as  Harry. 
And it was explained to us in "The Flaw in the Plan":

"It's  your one last chance," said Harry, "it's all you've got left
... I've seen  what you'll be otherwise ... Be a man ... try ... Try 
for some remorse  ..."

It is a *chance*, Voldemort's final disposition is not yet decided,  
what he will become *otherwise* connotes that there is an alternative  
ending to that flayed soulbit. And as I asked in my previous post, 
what  chance is this? A chance to leave that Way Station and go to 
Hell? What  would be the point? Also, as I said above, JKR doesn't 
have wizard Heaven  and Hell, she has *going on* or not. It seems to 
me that that is the  *chance* we are talking about here, the chance to 
*go on*.

If JKR has  Voldemort, the most evil character in the Potterverse, 
with still the chance  to avoid being "damned" for all eternity, then 
I don't believe she wrote a  story where all Slytherins are damned 
from the time they are sorted,  either.


 
Julie:
Voldemort is a special case though. Technically, you're correct  that he does 
have a chance to avoid being "damned." But he is also a psychopath, so  he
is inherently incapable of the remorse he must feel to avoid damnation.  Thus
the choice he is being offered by Harry is meaningless. (This duality  comes
from JKR, who said Voldemort is a psychopath and is less culpable  because 
he has never loved, and within the text from the commentary about Tom  Riddle
being unresponsive to human contact even as a baby--i.e. born a  psychopath.)
Which leaves us with a situation that has no honest resolution.  Voldemort 
must
feel remorse to save his soul, yet he can't feel remorse, thus he  can't save 
his
soul...
 
As for Slytherin House, I don't think they are damned when they are sorted,  
but
they are given horribly difficult path to hoe. Gryffindors have  merely to 
skip down the 
daisy-lined yellow brick road to their salvation, armed as they already are  
with their
indoctrination by family and friends into the correct value system,  and 
assisted from 
sidelines if they start to slip by their teachers, mates and all the "good"  
people of
their society who are invested in not letting them fall.  Meanwhile, 
Slytherins have to
claw their way up a steep path, pelted mercilessly by the evil value system  
instilled
in them by their childhood indoctrination, *and* by the acceptance and  
continued 
pounding in of the evil value system in their new House at Hogwarts, with  no 
one on
the sidelines interested in lending them a hand to keep them from  sliding 
back down
that slippery slope (and not a few ready and willing to give them a push  
straight down). 
 
So yes, they've got a choice, but it's no walk in the park as it is for  
certain others ;-)
(And, yes, this does make Peter Pettigrew a rather  contradictory piece of 
work, but
he is a completely incomprehensible character as written, to me  anyway.)
 
Julie, who likes to repeat periodically that we are talking about  *children* 
here, and
a school full of teachers who do *not* have the best interests of the  
children they are 
teaching (and literally raising) at heart, except sometimes for those  within 
their own
Houses...



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