Harry's DADA skill was Re: Albus and Gellert/Voldemort's Power

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 182674

Potioncat:
Ok, I'll agree. The point still is that Harry isn't an extraordinary
wizard. No offense to Harry, but he isn't. Hermione, a Muggleborn is
already doing witchcraft on the train to Hogwarts when Wizard born
Ron can't. Harry has to struggle just like most other kids to learnt
the skills and theories to magic.
<SNIP>

Alla:

No, he is not extraordinary. My point is that he IS not stupid wizard 
either, that he is quite talented especially in DADA and yes, I would 
argue that he is better than Hermione at DADA even.

 "Beatrice23" <beatrice23@>  wrote:
> >
> > *Snip* (or perhaps more accurately *snipe*
> > > 
> > > Carol, who doesn't understand your objection to her argument 
> since 
> > you
> > > agree that the Boggart sucks Harry's happiness as effectively 
as a
> > > real Dementor without placing his soul in jeopardy
> > 
> > Beatrice: ROTFLMOA.  Is this your real argument?  
> > 
> > "'Thank you very much, Professor Umbridge, that was most 
> > illuminating,' he said bowing to her....(OotP 214)
> > >
> >
> 
> Potioncat:
> Quite honestly. I don't get your point here at all. I've read and 
re-
> read both posts and it seems to me that you and Carol are in 
> agreement about the effect of the Boggart on Harry.
>


Alla:

I am not Beatrice, but since I find Carol's argument about Boggart 
quite weak myself, I am going to try and explain why and maybe my 
reasoning is the same as Beatrice or maybe not.

I believe that fact that Harry had a training with Boggart who 
immitates the Real Dementor has no bearing whatsoever on Harry's 
ability to cast the patronus.

Harry had lessons, sure he did, as Beatrice had showed IMO we see at 
least hints that other kids have private lessons with other teachers.

But what we do not see anywhere in my opinion is ANY kid having 
lessons with Boggart!Dementor and being able to do so. In fact, Lupin 
says that it is extraordinary achievement for thirteen year old, mind 
you he thinks it is extraordinary that Harry managed to do it  even 
with the Boggart!Dementor, doesn't he?

So this is the part of the argument I find ridiculous - how exactly 
the fact that Harry casts it upon the Boggart!Dementor somehow 
downplays his accomplishment. Boggart Dementor immitates all the 
effects of real Dementor after all, except being able to suck out the 
happiness and Harry manages fine eventually.

So, yeah, this is my reasoning. For example, imagine kid who needs to 
learn how to do, I don't know amazing physics experiment which almost 
nobody at his age can cast and I don't know, this kid gets private 
lessons with the teacher and teacher imitates exact same conditions 
as real ones. So kid does not manage from the first try, he manages 
from the tenth, the thing is NOBODY casts it under real conditions 
except this kid at his age, or not many people do. This is somehow 
downplays this kid's accomplishment? I do not see how.

JMO,

Alla