Sirius Black Sheep / Ollivander / Magesport Summer/ Money Changers
Catlady (Rita Prince Winston)
catlady at wicca.net
Sun Aug 17 00:51:42 UTC 2008
No: HPFGUIDX 184100
Lanna wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184048>:
<< Ok, so, Sirius' family disowned him for being a Grifindor and
turning his back on the family values or whatever. HOWEVER, when he
ended up being convicted of being this majorely insane DE who was
supposedly right up there in Voldie's top ranks, who not only betrayed
two his best friends to their deaths, but also blew up an ENTIRE
street, killing a whole bunch of innocent people (muggles among them I
believe) PLUS the 'heroic' Peter....wouldn't that have redeemed him in
the eyes of his family (mother)? >>
I have wondered about that. Maybe Orion and Walburga Black viewed
Getting Caught and sent to Azkaban as an even bigger disgrace to the
family name than joining Gryffindor House and having a best friend who
had married a Mudblood.
Or maybe their objection to their oldest son had little to do with
disgracing the family, but much to do with him constantly calling them
names, like 'bigot' and 'arrogant' and 'idiot'.
I also wonder about the related question of why didn't Draco view
Sirius Black as a hero martyr of the Dark Side. It seems to me that
Draco in PoA should been fanboyishly in support of Sirius's assumed
intention to kill Harry, with the hero worship continuing either until
he found out that Sirius was on the Light Side or else until his own
disenchantment with Death Eating.
The way Draco could have 'found out' that Sirius was on the Light Side
is Dad or Auntie told him. Lucius and Bellatrix were high rank DEs
during the first Voldemort War, so they may have known at the time
that the spy/traitor was Peter Pettigrew, not Sirius Black. *Some* DEs
knew, because Sirius in PoA asserted that the imprisoned DEs in
Azkaban were cursing Peter for getting LV killed, and asserted that
Peter had been in hiding all these years for fear of vengeance being
taken on him by DEs who had avoided Azkaban. Supposing that only Bella
knew, that would account for the shouting in Azkaban, and Peter's fear
of DEs out of Azkaban was just paranoia.
During OoP, Lucius at least knew that Sirius, disguised as a dog, was
sheltering the Order in his hidden house. Both he and Bella saw
Sirius die in the Department of Mysteries trying to protect Harry. I
don't know if they had a chance to tell Draco that, until they were
busted out of Azkaban in HBP.
Beatrice summarized Chapter 26 in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184044>:
<< 4. Why does Ollivander make Luna and Luna alone a new wand? Why not
make new wands for all of the people who were incarcerated with him?
Why not make new wands for as many people as possible who have been
victimized as he was by Death Eaters? Why doesn't Ollivander think
about arming the enemies of his enemy? What does this say about his
character? >>
Ollivander is a frail old man not in the best of condition. We don't
know how physically demanding it may be to make a wand, nor how long
it takes. We do know that wand wood comes from special trees and that
each wand must have a core of a magical substance. I don't know where
Ollivander found wand wood and a magical substance when unable to
visit his shop.
Btw I feel sure that the core of Luna's wand is unicorn hair. What is
the wood of Luna's wand? Rowan?
Zanooda wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184082>:
<< Don't forget that at Aunt Muriel's Ollivander lived in the same
house with Fred and George :-). They still operated their business (by
Owl-Order), which means they were in contact with both their clients
and their suppliers. >>
Okay, maybe some of their suppliers had wand wood and unicorn hair in
stock. That makes it a little less okay that he didn't, after handing
Luna her personalized wand, hand half a dozen more wands to Luna or
Harry or Bill and say: "Maybe some of these wands will select some of
your wandless friends."
Carrying on business by Owl Order strikes me as a security breach. So
okay, the bad guys couldn't *follow* the owl, but couldn't they send a
letter bomb by owl? A portkey that transports the victim to a DE trap
where he is put under Imperius and sent back to capture the Secret
Keeper to reveal the Secret...
<< I bet F&G could get you anything :-). >>
To me, even F&G would have to leave their safe house to get unusual
things.
Carol wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184094>:
<< Luna has been his friend and sole companion in what amounts to a
prison cell in the Malfoys' cellar. Why not give her what amounts to a
present out of gratitude and affection? >>
I meant to say that! As the for the rest of Carol's post, it makes my
replies to this question rather unneccessary.
Zanooda wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184083>:
<< I don't understand LV's attitude towards Ollivander. What was the
need to keep the old man in a dark damp cellar, in rugs? I understand
why Olly was kidnapped, but he is a very valuable prisoner (he is the
only person in Britain who can make wands!) - why treat him this way?
If he died in the cellar, as I'm sure he nearly did, who would provide
wands? >>
LV doesn't plan ahead. That he never considered what he would do for
wands if Ollivander died is only one example. This is one of the
reasons why LV's rule would destroy wizarding civilization in his kingdom.
Bruce wrote in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184060>:
<< She may have a list of Wizardling families willing to take in
fosterlings; >>
If that had existed before DD became Headmaster, wouldn't it have been
better for everyone if Tom Riddle had spent his summers with wizards,
who might have been able to control him while he was still young, than
sent back to the orphanage for the summers? It has always seemed odd
to me (i.e. requiring more Confundus) that an orphanage would accept a
child for summer only.
Pippin quoted in
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184078>:
<< From the AOL chat:
When people trade in Muggle money for Wizard money, what does
Gringotts do with the Muggle money?
Those goblins are sneaky people. They manage to put the Muggle money
back into circulation. They are like "fences" --British slang, do you
understand it? >>
Despite JKR, *I* think they give muggle money for wizarding money as
well as the other way around. I can think of various reasons a wizard
might want muggle money (e.g. Dumbledore's muggle newspaper
subscriptions) but the one that interests me most is the import/export
business, in which wizards buy muggle goods (like blue jeans and
sneakers) to sell at a mark-up at a wizarding shop.
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