Sirius and Snape parallels again - Sirius' death (LONG)

[Carol]

No: HPFGUIDX 185079

lizzyben wrote:
> >< HUGE SNIP>
> >And this fits in another way - it fits DD's MO. DD didn't *kill*
Sirius, not directly. He just imprisioned him in a place where he
could be killed by a dark wizard. In life, Sirius refused to stay
hidden & kept escaping DD's prisons. And so now DD imprisions & then
hides Sirius away, permenently, behind the veil. Sirius had become an
obstacle to DD's plan, and so DD arranged for his death. IMO Sirius's
death has DD's sticky fingerprints all over it. < HUGE SNIP>
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Okay, I snipped rather arbitrarily because I just have one 
clarification question, so may as well leave this part in. You are not
saying that Dumbledore planned to kill Sirius in specific time and 
specific place? You are basically saying that he took advantage of the
opportunity that arose and that he did not predict it right away?  
> Because the scary part is that after book 7 I cannot say anymore
that Dumbledore is a moral man who would not do that and while I still
do not WANT to believe that he will, as long as the mechanics are 
explained adequately, I will not put it past Dumbledore. Sigh.

Carol responds:

Although Dumbledore is far from my favorite character, especially
after "the Prince's Tale," I feel compelled to defend him here. Yes,
he knew that LV was trying to trick Harry into going to the MoM, but
he had no way of knowing that Voldemort would use a faked vision of
Sirius Black being tortured to lure him there, that Harry would try
but fail (thanks to Kreacher) to determine the validity of that
vision, that Black would ignore Snape's instructions to stay home and
wait for Dumbledore, or that Black would fight his cousin Bellatrix on
the dais of the Veil and fall through it.

Dumbledore is *not* omniscient. He could not possibly have foreseen,
much less planned, these events. And there is no evidence whatever
that he asked or expected Black to sacrifice himself. All he expected
him to do (rightly, IMO) is keep himself out of danger.

I suppose he could have suggested activities for him (unsigned letters
to the editor of the Daily Prophet, etc.), but Black isn't really the
letter-writing type. He said himself that his big disguise was useless
since Lucius Malfoy had seen him and recognized him on the platform,
and the Invisibility Cloaks were needed elsewhere (after Sturgis
Posmore's capture, they were down to one cloak), and Black was known
to be reckless.

He was not "imprisoned in a place where he could be killed by a Dark
wizard," as lizzyben says. He was restricted to his home where he
could *not* be killed or captured by a Dark wizard. His decision to
escape his "prison" and recklessly fight Bellatrix on the dais of the
Death Veil, with his back to the thing, got him killed. Even if he
didn't know what it was, he knew that he was in the Department of
Mysteries and should have realized that the Veil was best avoided.

Carol, who is also disappointed in Dumbledore but thinks that we
shouldn't get carried away with uncanonical assumptions about his motives