Individual characters too stubborn for Dumbledore to manipulate or not? WAS: Si

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No: HPFGUIDX 185092

Pippin:
<SNIP>
I think JKR sees individuals as a lot less malleable than you do, and
therefore she sees Dumbledore's machinations, whatever they were, as
more foolish than dangerous.

The *crowd* is malleable, so Dumbledore gets brownie points from JKR
for not becoming Minister of Magic, avoiding the temptation to use his
powers of persuasion on people en masse. But individual characters are
generally too stubborn even for him. They change slowly, and mostly
from within.<SNIP>

Alla:

Now that just may be an answer to my confusion as to why indeed JKR 
does not see DD's machinations  as dangerous, cruel, monstrous, etc 
and just foolish. And you know, honestly this is a pretty good answer 
for me, if I would have seen that in the book. Meaning if I would 
have seen **one** character who would have been too stubborn for 
Dumbledore to manipulate. If I would have only seen Dumbledore, who 
tries in vain to manipulate people but people would still do what 
they think is right. The thing is I do not see that. I see 
characters, well pretty much all of them to do as Dumbledore wants 
them to, except maybe Voldemort. And of course Voldemort is evil, so 
he obviously would not want to.

Let's count them. I would begin from, oh say Minerva who really does 
not think that Harry should go to Dursleys, because according  to her 
they are the worst sort of muggles. But does she really argue after 
one response from Dumbledore? Oh no, of course not, he persuades her 
quite easily. I was also always wondering how such strong woman just 
stays away from all major order business. I guess I should not have 
wondering.

How about Dursleys, who really really did not want to take Harry in? 
Right, they did.

Let's not forget Snape who gets recruited into Dumbledore's service 
night when he learns that woman he loved is dead.

Let's not forget Harry, please who really wanted to go chase 
Horcruxes at the end of book 6 and instead spends G-d knows how much 
time chasing Hallows instead.

Oh, what about Lupin, who is upset at his spying mission during 
Christmas time in HBP? And  of course let's not forget Snape who 
really, really, really did not want to kill Dumbledore and ended up, 
well you know, killing him.

Oh there were James and Lily who refused to let Dumbledore be their 
secret keeper and ended up dead.

Nope, I do not think that JKR sees characters as too stubborn for 
Dumbledore, it seems to me that she is saying that Dumbledore's way 
is the best way to go, almost always.

And while I am at it, let's not forget Sirius, who fought Hagrid over 
giving Harry back to him, but of course lost the fight.

I do not know Pippin, could you give me some examples of the 
characters who are too stubborn for Dumbledore? It seems to me that 
bastard manhandled everybody very well and did not care how much pain 
he will cause in the process.


JMO,

Alla