Manipulation in Potterverse and in general /Tigana spoilers

[lizzyben04]

No: HPFGUIDX 185153

Pippin:
> Dumbledore could not have known he was possessed before, since he
> wasn't. The only outward change was the smelly turban. Quirrell was
> obviously lying about why he was wearing it, but even if Dumbledore
> guessed that the purpose was to hide the marks of LV's punishment, 
it
> doesn't follow that he could guess what the punishment was.
> 
> Pippin

lizzyben:

DD could certainly guess. He's a Legimens! And no one mention's 
Quirrell being any kind of great Occlumens. There were plenty of 
clues (as you've mentioned) to draw suspicion to Quirrell before LV's 
posession - all DD would need to do is a quick Legimens scan. I 
acknowledge that some of the DD conspiracy theories are "tin-foil" 
but IMO this one's canon. And it's the basis for the many speculative 
theories that follow. Because if DD could do something like this 
(killing off Quirrel, Flamel, Flamel's wife, etc. in the process) 
just for *training*, what wasn't he capable of?  

JKR practically gave a shout-out to the puppetmaster!DD people 
in "The Prince's Tale." She drops hint after hint until the narrative 
practically screams out that DD set up the PS confrontation. DD tells 
Snape that he's let Harry "try his strength." (very similar to 
Harry's own statement at the end of PS). He tells Snape to "keep an 
eye on Quirrel" w/his eyes screwed shut. In one short chapter, the 
text tells us about the Quirrel set-up at least twice. DD is also 
avoiding eye-contact w/Snape, which he does when he's *lying* to 
Snape. He also does this while he tells Snape about how Harry got his 
horcrux, which makes me wonder!

That final chapter of PS was meant to be ambiguous *before* DH, but 
not after. It sets up a dilemma for people who might not have thought 
of it before - just what kind of man is DD? Is he capable of doing 
such a thing? Harry says he would, Hermione says he wouldn't. The 
narrative is silent about the answer, until the final novel. The 
chapter title is no coincidence: "The Man With Two Faces". We see 
one face of DD in PS, & don't see the other face until the last book 
(and it's not a pretty one!) I actually think this was very well set-
up by JKR.

jkoney:
Everyone including Dumbledore knew Lockhart was a fraud.
Unfortunately, he had no other choices to fill the position. So he
ended up being stuck with a fraud in the position.

lizzyben:

Lupin? Mad-Eye? There's not one person in all the wizarding world? 
IMO Lockhart was hired as part of Harry's "training". DD did not want 
Harry to get a swelled head or think too highly of himself, so 
Lockhart was a good lesson for that. 


jkoney:
As for Moody, I also have a tough time with this. Moody was
considered "mad" so the behavior of the imposter didn't seem that
odd. There was also a tournament with other schools keeping
Dumbledore busy.


lizzyben:

Not so busy that he couldn't find time to read the "Little Hangleton" 
newspaper, which was likely full of news of the Riddle 
groundskeeper's mysterious death. So DD knows that LV is now *back*. 
He knows LV likes to infiltrate Hogwarts through new DADA professors. 
And he knows Mad-Eye was just involved in some sort of fight at his 
home, shortly after the groundskeeper's death. He knows it's 
possible/probable LV will try to use an imposter/imperiused Moody to 
get back to Hogwarts. It wasn't worth a quick Legimens scan to make 
sure this guy is *really* Moody? Maybe check out the old Riddle 
estate? The estate owned by a mysterious old man who keeps it vacant 
for "tax reasons"?

IMO DD knew who Moody was all along & knew LV's plan perfectly well. 
That's why he had a "gleam of triumph" when it worked. IMO he even 
helped it along. He knew LV would go back to the Riddle estate - so 
DD purchased the property to be apprised of LV's return.  He's an 
expert on "blood magic" & doubtless knew the ritual for LV's rebirth. 
DD wanted LV to use Harry's blood as "the blood of an enemy" in order 
to regenerate. This gave Harry a chance of eventual survival against 
LV, but ended up killing Cedric Diggory. Oh, Crouch Sr. too. But DD 
stated in OOTP that he would be willing to sacrifice thousands for 
Harry's happiness, so for him it's a fair trade. 

When Crouch Sr. showed up at Hogwarts, desperate to reveal 
that "Moody" was really his Death Eater son, DD knew he could ruin 
the whole plan. That's why DD notified "Moody"/Crouch Jr. and 
ONLY "Moody"/Crouch Jr., that Crouch Sr. was on the premises. He set 
it up & then he sat back & waited for the Death Eater to dispose of 
the inconvenient person. Through all this, he didn't *force* anyone 
to do anything & he didn't *directly* kill anyone. It's classic DD! 


lizzyben