Wand Lore / Luna / Alchemy

[a_svirn]

No: HPFGUIDX 181729

> > a_svirn:
> > Then what was the purpose of leaving the Elder Wand to Snape? 
None 
> > that I can see.  I do, however see the risks such eventuality 
would 
> > entail. 
> > > 
> 
> Pippin:
> What we haven't done is look at things in the context of everything 
that didn't
> go as Dumbledore had planned. 

a_svirn:
Of course, we haven't. It wasn't the question under discussion, after 
all. We were talking about the *original* plan. 

> Pippin:
Death Eaters were not expected to get into
> the castle, Draco was not expected to  find the nerve to attack 
Dumbledore
> openly, 

a_svirn:
And why wasn't he? How can anyone base their plans on the expectation 
that their opponent * wouldn't* find the nerve to attack? Especially 
knowing what sort of pressure is applied to them? It would be sheer 
folly to indulge such optimism, particularly with so many lives at 
stake.  Besides, what would be the sense in that? Snape was supposed 
to 
kill Dumbledore out of Dumbledore's touching concern for Draco's 
soul. The total absence of the nerve on Draco's part would obviate 
the necessity for this murder. 

> Pippin:
Draco and his mother were to be taken into the protection of the
> Order, Dumbledore didn't want Snape to leave Hogwarts, Dumbledore
> didn't want his corpse dishonored. In other words, Dumbledore had 
every
> reason to plan for his death at Snape's hands to take place in 
secret.
> 
> There would then be no question of Snape having to leave Hogwarts or
> facing a vengeful Order. 

a_svirn:
No? But would the Order not feel suspicious? Call for investigation, 
perhaps? After all no one in the Order really trusted Snape? 

> Pippin:
But in that case, Snape would have needed proof 
> for Voldemort that Dumbledore was really dead -- especially if he'd 
done 
> it by poison, which would have been easier and would have left no
> evidence in Snape's wand. Dumbledore's wand would have been the 
proof.

a_svirn:
Well, if I were Voldemort I wouldn't believe to such proof. 
Especially if the wand wouldn't work for him as it should. 


> Pippin:
> Snape could have given the wand to Voldemort, and if you are right 
that 
> the wand can be passed by gift, Voldemort would have had no reason 
to 
> blame Snape if the wand did not work for him as he wished it to.

a_svirn:
Why not? I'd say he would be bound to think it fishy.

> Pippin:
> In this scenario, in which the wand can be passed by gift, 
Dumbledore 
> did not want Harry to have a powerful wand to use against
> Voldemort. 

a_svirn:
I don't see why not. Before Harry would make his sacrifice he had 
lots of other things to do. And it was not entirely unlikely that he 
would have brushes with Voldemort along the way. And he did. 
Moreover, Voldemort wasn't the only source of danger.

> Pippin: 
Harry was not to win by battle but by sacrifice. He did want 
> Harry to become master of death, but  by understanding the 
Hallows,  
> not by using them to escape death.

a_svirn:
He may have wanted it, but his own arrangements nearly defeated the 
purpose he said he had in mind.It was his grief for Dobby that caused 
Harry to abandon the Hallows, whereas Dumbledore's own clues nearly 
caused him to turn from the Horcruxes to the wand.
a_svirn.