Tom Riddle and the RoR - when

[Beatrice23]

No: HPFGUIDX 181777

Beatrice:  This is a great discussion!  I have wanted to add some 
thoughts for a while, but I haven't had the time...anyway  I have a 
couple of minutes now so here goes:
> 
While I agree that it is a stretch for LV to hide this on the day of 
his interview, I think that this is what JKR wants us to believe.  

First, it is almost certain that TR/LV knew about the room as a 
student.  DD indicates that LV may have know more about the school 
and its powers than most people (I believe he says it in CoS, and 
HBP).  LV himself says at one point in DH that he hid the diadem 
(although it is not explicitly mentioned) in a place which he has 
explored the depths of as no one else had.  Or something to that 
affect.  This to me indicates that LV knew that the RoR was known, by 
other or at least entered by others, but he assumes that know one 
truly understands the room's powers.  (This plays into what we know 
of his ego).   There is evidence to back him up even.  DD found the 
room filled with chamberpots, but gives no indication that he knows 
anything more about the room.  Filch gets cleaning supplies there and 
puts things away there, but probably does not know the full nature of 
the room (or he might have revealed it to Umbridge in OotP).  Even 
Harry, who has THE map, and the Weasleys don't understand the full 
power of the room until Dobby explains it to Harry.  It even seems 
unlikely that Sirius et al knew about the room, because he didn't 
recommend it as a meeting place for the DA.   Truly, only Neville 
(and his group) figures a lot of it out by living in the room for 
several months.

So, I think that LV might have realized that people stumbled upon the 
room, but either never found their way back or simply thought of the 
room as a moving broom cupboard.

> Carol responds:
> 
> However, I'm not sure about Voldemort's hiding the tiara in the RoR
> when he applied for the DADA post. First, IIRC, the RoR is on the 
same
> floor as the entrance to Dumbledore's office, but it's not close by.
 SNIP
> 
> Also, I don't think he would have brought the tiara to Hogwarts to
> hide it when he had a job interview. Is he supposed to hide it under
> his cloak in broad daylight? He'd have had to drop it off at the RoR
> on the way to the interview, and to do that, he'd have needed to 
know
> about the existence of the RoR already (it would be too much of a
> coincidence for him to find it for the first time on the day of the
> DADA interview), which means, he'd have had to find it as a 
student. 
> Only he didn't, so far as we know, hide any of the other Horcruxes
> there, so what would he have used it for?

Beatrice:  In thinking about HOW LV might have gotten the diadem into 
the castle and hidden it in the RoR,  I found myself thinking about 
Hermione's purse in DH.  Perhaps, LV, did the same thing to one of 
his pockets and had the diadem in there during the interview.  
Perhaps, that movement that Harry note in HBP was not a movement 
toward LV's wand at all, but an involuntary movement toward the 
pocket where the horcrux was hidden.  As if he where checking to see 
if it was still there.  Or if when he felt a surge of hatred toward 
DD at the end of the interview when he is denied the teaching 
position, the horcrux burned or something with LV's emotion he might 
move his hand toward the horcrux before recovering himself.  And then 
of course, LV is not escorted from the building gives him the 
opportunity to go to the RoR.  If he is found still in the building, 
he could always pretend he was visiting his award or forgot his way.  
He was pretty charming so he could probably bluff almost anyone 
except DD.


> Albanian peasant for lack of a significant victim), which would have
> provided the perfect opportunity to hide the Horcrux while he was
> still at school, why were his features so little altered when he
> worked for Borgin and Burke? (A little paler, a little thinner, red
> eeyes that glowed red when he was feeling greed or the impulse to
> kill--that doesn't seem sufficient alteration for three Horcruxes,
> does it?)

Beatrice: I'm guessing that the timeline goes something like this: 
Myrtle's death in his fifth or sixth year (c. 1942)and then the 
creation of the diary Horcrux shortly thereafter.  

The theft of the Gaunt ring and the murder of the Riddles in the 
summer between his 6th and 7th year.  (1943 or 44) However, I think 
that the ring was probably made after he left Hogwarts.  We know that 
he is asking question about making more than one horcux, but as he is 
wearing the ring it seems to indicate that he has not yet made more 
than one.  It may take him until after he leaves to decide to do it.  
But I suspect that he does so before murdering Ms. Smith and 
acquiring the cup and the locket.  Which is then turned into his 
third horcrux.  We know that Riddle disappears shortly thereafter to 
go abroad. (perhaps the late 40's to early 50's?)

During this period he goes to Albania to get the diadem.  He could 
hold on to it for a while.  Dumbledore indicates that he has heard 
and been disturbed by Riddle's activities so it is reasonable to 
assume that one of the activities may be a murder from which the 
diadem is created. (Again 50's to early 60's) This would be the time 
that he applies for the DADA position and hides it at Hogwarts.

Although he has the locket, it would seem that he waits to use it for 
a while.  He certainly doesn't hide it officially until Sirius's 
younger brother has graduated from Hogwarts.  Perhaps, the late 
70's?).  Perhaps he made this horcrux from the murder of the Prewetts 
or Bones.  The cup may also have been created at this time and given 
to Bellatrix.

Harry's murder was intended to be the last although what object would 
have been the horcrux, who can say?  Perhaps, LV wanted to use an 
object that belonged to Harry himself, perhaps he would have enjoyed 
the irony...Well, I have to run, but we all know the events from 
there...

  Beatrice, who hopes this adds to the discussion.