Slytherins come back WAS: Re: My Most Annoying Character

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No: HPFGUIDX 180316

> Angel:
> House UNITY is an integral part of HP. We had been reading about
> it for 6 whole books.

Mike:
I must disagree. AFAIK, House Unity consisted of one song by the
Sorting Hat, rejected out of hand by all concerned at that time. Just
because fandom picked up the flag and carried it on, does not make it
a predominant theme of the books.

And that mention by the Sorting Hat came in the fifth book, after
Voldemort's return. I didn't see any unity theme cropping up in the
first four books. If I missed it, could some here enlighten me?

Alla:

Not me, SOOOOO not me. And thank goodness on that topic I have lots 
and lots old posts of mine to show that I argued that house unity is 
NOT a predominant theme of HP books, had never been a predominant 
theme of HP books and had been fandom invention for the most part 
indeed.

One song and one interview, hehhe. And indeed if one takes a  
consistent approach, for which I respect you very much Mike - no 
double standards at all, even if disagree with this approach, the 
interview does not exist indeed. So, we have one song and that is 
the extrapolation that house unity is the predominant theme of HP 
books? Not in my opinion.

Heee, this is another case of arguing something for too long. I 
warmed up to house unity a little by the end, but I definitely 
thought that if house unity were to happen Slytherins had to undergo 
major change.

Hmmm, as house I think it did not happen yet. But individuals had 
been shown to change, no?

> Angel:
> That need not have been corrected.

Mike:
Not to be argumentative, but you kind of side-stepped Alla's
question. She was making the point that Harry thought maybe Snape
was softening him up for Voldemort's mind incursions. Despite
knowing Snape's ultimate loyalty, we still don't know if those
Occlumency lessons actually made it easier for Voldemort to plant
the false images into Harry's mind. It wasn't a matter of needing
something corrected. Alla was using it to point out something vague
and undecided in Harry's past perceptions that was never ultimately
resolved.

Alla:

Mike I do love you so. If you had not been argumentative I would 
have been LOL. Indeed whether it needs to be corrected or it does 
not need to be corrected was not my point at all.

My point was precisely what you mentioned - Magpie, Betsy, others 
were saying that in many instance of narrator being wrong it was 
specifically corrected.

I brought up the example where it was not corrected and still does 
anybody have much doubt that narrator was wrong? Or at least are 
there many list members who are SURE what happened?

And yeah, I think this is precisely the issue of the similar 
importance of whether Slytherins returned to fight. Sort of very 
secondary one. IMO of course.

See I believe that seeing Slughorn and knowing about Regulus would 
have been shock enough for Harry and find it plausible that he did 
not look clearly.

Oh and not that I care one way or another. I am just arguing the 
plausibility, that's all.

I do NOT think that Slytherin as house was redeemed, you know?

I think individuals of this house were redeemed and possible return 
of SOME slytherins students could be in line with it or not.

Maybe it were same Slyths who stood for Cedric, who knows? They 
would have been of age, no?

But it does not cancell what Draco and his goons did for me, no what 
Pancy did. It just shows to me that not all Slytherins have the same 
mindset.

JMO,

Alla