Biggest DH dissapointment

[marion11111]

No: HPFGUIDX 180377

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "leslie41" <leslie41 at ...> wrote:
>Leslie41 said:
> the biggest 
> one for me seems to be that the entire plot (or at least a major 
> subplot) seemed to turn upon a fact that Harry should have discovered 
> long ago.
> 
> Snape loved Lily.  
> But I never believed those clues because it made no sense that Snape 
> loved Lily, because if he had loved her and been such a close friend, 
> everyone would have known (and they did) and someone would have 
> mentioned something to Harry. 
> 
> As time has gone by I think that this revelation was a really cheap 
> vicious cheat.  Because, really, it's illogical to spring that on us 
> now, when Harry would have heard it many times before from any number 
> of people, esp. Sirius and Remus. 

marion11111agrees:

Oh, this bothers me, too.  Hogwarts is a pretty small school.  If they were good enough 
friends for enough years that her friends have been asking her why she still hangs around 
him, then you know it must have been common knowledge.  And a scene like the one 
where he calls her a mudblood would fly through the gossip network in minutes.  Wasn't 
there a group of kids around when that happened?  Not just the four mauraders?  AND he 
camps outside the common room prompting one of her girlfriends to come and get her.

So, I'm going to assume everybody knew they were buddies at least, even if they didn't 
know he harbored a secret love.  Now the question is, who would be able to mention this 
to Harry?

Any of the teachers who were around at that time would have known (I'm a teacher and 
don't think we don't know the student gossip), but I suppose it would be unprofessional of 
them to share past secrets about a fellow staff member - Snape - with a student.  Well, 
except Hagrid has so much trouble being professional, he might hvae slipped some 
information to Harry

Molly and Arthur were already out of Hogwarts at that time.  Petunia wouldn't know that 
Snape and Lily had a falling out and certainly wouldn't have known or cared that Snape was 
at Hogwarts now and was giving Harry a hard time.

That leaves Lupin and Sirius.  I'll excuse Sirius because he doesn't seem to have noticed 
anything at Hogwarts except James.  Does he ever talk to Harry about Lily?  And Lupin who, 
at first was a fellow teacher, but later when Harry was so upset about Snape should have 
said something!

But, in general, no one apart from Slughorn mentions Lily to Harry except to talk about her 
eyes.  Honestly, if she was so smart and popular you'd think someone would come up to 
Harry at the train and say "Oh, are you Harry?  Your mum and I were friends in school.  She 
was so much fun.  We used to do such and such together, etc."  

This was the main reason I waffled back and forth on the Snape/Lily theory.  I couldn't 
imagine that people wouldn't mention it along with the whole - "Well, Snape and your dad 
didn't get along."