CHAPDISC: DH11, The Bribe

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No: HPFGUIDX 180575

 "pippin_999" <foxmoth at ...> wrote:
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> Chapter Discussions: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Chapter 
11, The Bribe

Potioncat:
Great job Pippin!  I've started out by adding comments to the summary.


> Remus looks exhausted, but pleased to see them. He explains that he 
had to apparate very 
> carefully onto the top step to avoid being seen. DE's are keeping 
watch on every location 
„« associated with the Order. 

Potioncat:
I thought this bit of magical information was a nice set up. It 
allowed for the Trio's comings and goings and for the incident with 
Hermione and the DE-whose-name-I-can't-remember.

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> Lupin says he would have come sooner, but there's been a DE tailing 
him. He's very
> disturbed to hear that the DE's found Harry at Tottenham Court 
Road. He doesn't believe 
> the trace could possibly be still active, or the DE's would know 
that Harry was at 
„« Grimmauld Place. 

Potioncat:
So it is not yet common knowledge that LV put a charm on his name. I 
recall some fan comments later on Ron's explanation after his return 
(much later in the book.) Do we ever find out how Ron learned of it?
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> QUESTIONS:
> 1. It seems the DE's learned where the house must be and that it 
belongs to Harry, but not 
> that it was once headquarters of the Order. Did you think this was 
a clue to Snape's true 
> loyalties? Or did you think the tongue-tying curse was adequate to 
keep Snape from 
„« talking? 

Potioncat:
The FC is very confusing. Now that Order members are SK in turn, or 
all at once, it's really surprising no one told under the 
interrogation. I'm not sure what I thought at the time, I was a bit 
confused that the DEs knew enough to hang around the house, but 
couldn't get in. So, I suppose they figured out Harry owned the 
house. The fact that they didn't get in made me feel Snape was on 
Harry's side, but, I was grasping for anything to prove that Snape 
was not really LV's man.
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> 2. Does Harry's reaction to Scrimgeour's death hint at  his 
reaction to learning the truth 
„« about Snape?

Potioncat: 
It does now. I felt bad at having not liked the man before, and  I 
realized he deserved respect. But, it was one more "hint" that we 
would get a reversal of Slytherin House---but I don't want to re-open 
that can of worms! <eg>
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> 4. Does the  general mistrust in the wizarding community and the 
surveillance and torture 
„« of Order members go far enough to explain the lack of  resistance 
to Voldemort's coup?

Potioncat:
No. I think JKR is very, very good at writing the small story, but 
not so good at the big picture. For example, I would have thought the 
Order members would have "disappeared", or been openly killed.  It's 
hard to believe that none of the Order members from the  7 Potters 
incident were harmed after LV came into control.
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> 
> 6. What do you think of Lupin's reasons for wanting to leave his 
family? Given earlier
> hints in canon that Lupin is an occlumens, is his apparent lack of 
feeling for Tonks
„« only a pretense, or is he truly indifferent?

Potioncat:
I thought he was a Legilimens, though I think Carol is right that it 
was never stated in canon, just hinted at. 

There are two areas of the HP4GU list  that have taken me by 
surprise. The first was the number of members who detest Molly; and 
the other is the number who agree with Harry about Lupin. He's an 
Englishman and his country has been taken over--and he's supposed to 
stay home so he can get ice cream when  Dora has a craving? I 
understand why he would want to be in the action. I'm sure Lupin 
didn't expect the Trio were going on a long camping trip. I would 
have liked to have seen some evidence that Lupin and the Order were 
doing something.

> 
> 8. On a lighter note, I think this is at least the seventh time 
that canon refers to Umbridge
„« as a hag. Could she actually be one? 

Potioncat:
Yeah, well, no. But I think someone should complain about the insult 
to Hags!

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