Explain this passage

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 180648

> Angel:
> Thanks for the correction.  PC was kind enough to correct me on the 
> quiet ;) 

Mike:
Sorry Angel, I didn't mean to pick on you, I was trying to have a 
little fun with PC. :D



> Angel:
> Yet something propelled Voldemort to seek out Potter first.  The 
way the Fidelius was whispered by the group in Rosmerta's bar in PoA 
spoke of a serious spell difficult to carry out and impenetrable.  
Dumbledore in this talk with Harry promised to out the secrets (well 
the ones relating to the prophesy anyhow) and I agree with him that 
Voldemort chose Harry to be his adversary.  Even if Voldemort planned 
to off poor Nevvy also, he chose Harry first and thus Harry was the 
chosen one.  Why he did so, is the dilemma methinks :)

Mike:
I quite agree, that was RL's original question. And PC pointed out 
that according to canon, Snape told DD that LV had decided the 
prophesy meant Lily. And, yes PC, canon does count, at least with me 
it does. 

My only addendum is that if LV had chose the Longbottom boy, would 
Snape had begged for a meeting with DD? If the answer is no, then do 
you think Snape would have bothered to include that the Longbottoms 
were also targeted in the few snippets of memory that we saw? That 
is, if Harry and Neville were targets 1 and 1a, do you think Snape 
would bother to mention 1a? What did Snape care about the 
Longbottoms, especially at that time?

But you are both right, there is no story if someone isn't 
the "chosen one". Does that mean that Voldemort "chose" Harry, or 
does that mean that by acting on the prophesy (the self-fulfilling 
thingy) Voldemort "chose" to make someone his most powerful "marked" 
vanquisher, no matter which boy he went after first? Snape wouldn't 
care whether LV went after Lily first or second. Just including Lily 
in the hunt would trigger Snape's lamentation about being the 
delivery boy and cause him to go ballistic.



> Angel:
> I'm of two minds about this.  

Mike:
Only two? I'm starting to morph into one of Snape's hydras.

> Angel:
<vast snippage>  At the same time I do think you're right - 
purebloodism was a means to an end if we are to take Voldemort at 
his/Quirrell's word that there is only power.  He only sought power.. 
What exactly those powers he gained were that were beyond the scope 
of Dumbledore's conscience let alone the abilities of a baby, I still 
have to discover, marvel, gasp and quiver at!... okay will stop this 
now before I resort to banging head on desk again.

Mike:
Umm,... yeah, well,... what was that again? Oh yeah, pure-bloodism! 
I'm thinking here that is entirely possible that Voldemort deluded 
himself into believing that no pure-blood would ever be his downfall. 
Not when he was championing pure-bloodism because of that self-
loathing thing you mentioned he had for half-bloods like himself. Is 
that what Dumbledore was saying, when he said Voldemort chose the 
half-blood like himself?


> Angel:
> I have the terrible propensity to hide my actual point in subtexts 
lol.  I meant the prophecy itself was beyond ambiguous and I guess 
once again I vented at the wrong spot ;)...still I do think Voldemort 
chose Harry.  I cannot remember the actual prophesy, but do recall, 
that the dark lord will himself mark... ra ra ra the little twit who 
will bring him down...so the prophesy did speak of the dark lord 
CHOOSING his own adversary and like Dumbledore I believed Voldemort 
chose Harry because he saw himself in Harry and knew what he was 
capable of, a half-blood!  He saw himself in Harry because of the 
blood connection I suppose - Muggle blood.  He chose that which he 
loathed and he loathed that which he feared or feared that which he 
loathed?  Either way, that was Voldemort.

Mike:
OK, I'll buy that. You've won me over. Please don't do that 
head-desk thing. ;)



> Angel:
> But Dumbledore here said he would speak to Harry as an adult and 
reveal all that he had blanketed him from in the past years.  Which 
again brings my head very close to my desk in force :) and to another 
track.  Using people was okay as long as it was Dumbledore doing the 
using, according to Dumbledore.  He used Harry, yet recoiled at the 
idea of McScrooge using Harry to buffer the wizarding community.  So 
Dumbledore fed Harry with "you're special ideas" but refused to allow 
others to share in the same notion?  Yes Dumbledore makes sense to me 
but not very good sense <bg>

Mike:
We gotta get you away from your desk, Angel. Do you have one of those 
portable keyboards you can set up on a pillow? :D


> Angel:
> 
> Oooh!  You didn't know?  (beg...the kind Voldemort the twat is 
incapable of beaming lol) Well what are the chances that Lily's 
closeted wannabe lover brings Volders the prophecy?  An incomplete 
prophecy to be exact! :) Voldemort is of course spurred to hunt for 
Harry's head all because Severus asked to spare Lily?  What if it 
was Severus who translated the prophecy and passed Voldemort his 
interpretation?  Voldemort did ask him to explain the flounders of 
the almighty useless wand, so Voldemort held a certain respect if 
not dependency on Severus' brilliance.

>  don't have time to draft this out especially as am at work, but 
here are a few points:

> It was Snape who gave Harry reason to seek out the philosopher's 
stone.
> Snape who provided the answer to the secret in the chamber (Draco 
and Harry's duel)
> Snape who caused Peter to escape from the shack and thus cause the 
Harry/Hermione timetravelling and all it contained
> Snape the Death Eater????  Whoo!
> Snape who weakened Harry's mind (not intentionally but by the 
nature of occlumency itself!) that led everyone to the MoM including 
Volders
> HBP all about Snape!!! Yeeeee!
> Then in Deathly Hallows ... well I won't go there :)

Mike:
OK, I get it. Can I add some more?

-Snape whispered into Napolean's ear "Take Russia, what's the worst 
that can happen?"
-Snape told John Wilkes Booth which door to use.
-Snape hit the lead Navy pilot in the Bermuda Triangle formation with 
a confundus
-Snape was the guy on the Grassy Knoll

That about covers it, dontcha think? ;O)