Realistic Resolutions - WAS: Slytherins come back

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 180741

a_svirn:
No. Slytherin was the father of all Slytherins. Rowling's world is
somewhat different from that of Homer. And in her world Salazar
Slytherin was a wily power-hungry pure-blood supremacist – something
that Odysseus assuredly wasn't. <SNIP>

Alla:

Heee, agreed.

> Irene Malkin:
> A famous event in Jewish history, the Metsada siege, ended with the
> defenders committing mass suicide rather than surrender. Except for
one
> guy, Josephus Flavius, who later became a model roman citizen and
famous
> writer. So the saying goes something like that: "If all the Jews
were
> like Metsada defenders, there would be no Jews. If all the Jews
were
> like Josephus Flavius, there would be no Jews."

a_svirn:
I can't say that I see your point. Josephus Flavius was a man after
Slytherin's heart? Perhaps he was. Though I'd say that it is only
contributes to the idea that Slytherins are somewhat less than
principled. And besides, as you yourself point out it's not like
Josephus Flavius contributed anything valuable to ensuring the
survival of the Jewish culture. The Jews could and did survive
without him; the only survival he ensured with his shrewd cunning was
his own.


Alla:

I am not sure if I understood Irene's point correctly, but I thought 
that her point was that since she was arguing that all personalities 
are necessary for the survival of the society ( and in RL - of 
course I agree), that Josephus Flavius indeed contributed to 
survival of jewish culture. Now note that I typed jewish culture, 
NOT jews, but it is related, no?

I HATE Flavius. I think he is a stinking traitor, who betrayed  his 
brothers and sisters and when I read the pages in his book when he 
is trying to justify himself, I wanted to stranggle him. I see 
NOTHING to admire or respect him about.

BUT he did leave us factually true account of the war, right? Don't 
historians agree on that that while his conclusions should be 
questioned, the facts are true?

So, while I agree with you that he did not contribute to survival of 
the jews, I think he contributed to the culture.

I read it as RL example of slytherin contribution? But I can be 
wrong.


Although again, if this is the contribution Slytherins would be 
making, I think society would be better off without them. Imagine 
Lucius Malfoy writing the history of purebloods or something, while 
serving Voldemort.

But I mean, sure in RL ambition and cunning are needed, but I see 
nothing strange that when connected to purebloodism they are 
disparaged.


JMO,

Alla