PS/SS - chapter 1, post DH look

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No: HPFGUIDX 180887

Alla:
> Here we go without further ado.
> 
> The first weird thing that jumped at me today is that at some point 
> of talking all things Potter I sort of stopped counting this 
chapter 
> as written not from Harry's POV. I mean, it is not like I forgot 
> exactly, but pushed back so to speak. Does it matter that narrator 
> is more trustworthy here?

Potioncat:
This looks fun. I'm jumping in quickly before work, and not having 
read SS/PS in a long time.

For your first question---Quick, get Carol!

I think the PoV of or type of Narrator makes a big difference in the 
telling and setting up of the story. Of course, we couldn't have had 
this chapter from Harry's PoV. All he could see about now was 
Hagrid's beard.

snipping canon
> 
> Alla:
> He decided he did not dare
 Does it mean what I think it means? Is 
> it already a foreshadowing that Petunia has no problems dictating 
> her will to Vernon as she did in OOP when she insisted that Harry 
> stays?

Potioncat:
The balance of power seems to ebb and flow with these two. But the 
wording of the one bit made me wonder, when did Vernon find out about 
Lily's magic?
 
> Alla:
> One cannot help but think about Dumbledore's visit to Dursleys in 
> HBP, but is it also about Petunia's feelings about Dumbledore "not 
> allowing" her to go to Hogwarts? And what about the name and boots? 
> Does it mean simply that the name is too abnormal? Or does it mean 
> something else?


Potioncat:
Beautiful wording isn't it? I take it to mean that not only is the 
person not welcome, but even speaking about him or hearing about him 
is not wanted either.

 
> " Voldemort had  powers I will never have.
> Only because you're too – well – noble to use them "– p.11
> 
> Alla:
> 
> We all know this infamous exchange of course, but when I was 
> rereading it today, I had a thought, well two actually. Minerva 
> manages to fight off her fear and say Voldemort  that early in the 
> book. And I was also wondering when Minerva says that only because 
> you are too noble to use them, whether she means what I always 
> thought she meant.

Potioncat:

I think it means powers and it sort of foreshadows Harry' use of 
Cruciatus in DH. The point being he can cast the Dark curse, but does 
not---well, not after proving he can. (I still don't like the way JKR 
wrote it.)

I don't know if LV had made magical objects that were public 
knowledge---certainly he may have. DD of course, has his objects too.

But now that I think about it, Minerva is pointing out that it takes 
a certain degree of nobility to avoid using dark magic. A degree she 
will toss off in DH.
 
 
> Alla:
> "It was plain that whatever everyone was saying, she was not going 
> to 
> believe it until Dumbledore told her it was true" – p.11 -12
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Do we see foreshadowing of blind trust that order members have in 
> Dumbledore already? I mean, we do not know about order members yet 
> obviously, so I should say teachers.

Potioncat:
Yep. Sets us up too, doesn't it? Does anyone know when did 
PUPPETMASTER!DD come about on the list?--and even then many of us 
thought DD was too noble to be a puppetmaster. We were certainly more 
questioning than DD's fellow wizards. But it worked well for DD, 
didn't it? He doesn't like to tell in the first place, and everyone 
trusted him enough not to ask too much.
 
>Alla: 
> "
but how in the name of Heaven did Harry survive?
> We can only guess, said Dumbledore. We may never know" – p.12
> 
> Alla:
> 
> So does this line means that at this point in time Dumbledore does 
> not know that Harry is a Horcrux?

Potioncat:
I don't think he does. I'm sure he has a strong opinion of what went 
on, but did not want to share it. In a later post, someone brings up 
DD's attitude about the scar. DD knows Tom Riddle was interested in 
Horcruxes, and he knows the Dark Lord will mark the chosen one 
(cannot recall the words.) So DD must know/suspect the scar will have 
some magic. I don't think he suspects Horcrux!Harry until he finds 
out from this list--I mean, OoP, maybe? Isn't there some canon about 
it in one of the later books?
> 
> 
> Alla:
> 
> Well, that's all for now. Please feel free to add what you see in 
> the new light after last book if anything.
> 
> I will be back with the new installment soon, hehe.

Potioncat:
This is great. I'm looking forward to a post DH re-read myself, and 
I'm really glad we're getting the opportunity to discuss the books. 
Thanks, Alla!