CHAPDISC: DH12, Magic is Might - How Many Steps

[Mike]

No: HPFGUIDX 180918

> > bboyminn wrote:
> > <snip>
> > Now if you
> > are on the top of two or three steps and the wind catches
> > your cloak, or you lose your balance and your arms swing out,
> > in both cases you could breach the boundary of the Fidelius
> > Charm, and your cloak or hand could be seen, even though the
> > house itself was not reveal. 
> 
> 
> Carol responds:
> 
> But Harry's hand shows when it slips out from under the
> Invisibility Cloak. (Ron, IIRC, says that the same thing happens
> to him every time.) The DEs keep thinking they see something
> (presumably an elbow or a hand) but it disappears before they
> have time to be sure that they've really seen something.
> 
> But *Lupin is not wearing an Invisibility Cloak and yet the DEs 
> don't see him.*

Mike:
I think Steve has it mostly right. Harry says that he lost his 
balance AND the IC slipped. So it wasn't just that his elbow (I'm 
guessing it was his whole arm) slipped out from under the cloak, but 
that his elbow ALSO stuck out beyond the scope of the Fidelius' 
boundary.


> Carol:
> If Harry's hand or elbow can be seen when it slips out from under 
> the Invisibility Cloak, how come Lupin, who is wearing an ordinary 
> black *traveling cloak,* can't be seen?

Mike:
Because Lupin didn't slip. :)


> Carol:
> I can conceive of a hand sticking out beyond the boundaries of
> the Fidelius Charm, but an elbow? That must be some narrow step!

Mike:
If you want a physics problem, how come the Muggles don't notice 
that one side of Grimmauld square is shorter than the other side? 
And how did the Blacks hide the house in the first place? Wouldn't 
they have had to find every Muggle that had ever seen #12 before it 
disappeared and obliviate them? Logistical nightmare, that.

I find it best not to try and square physics with magic.


> Carol:
> And why bother with the Invisibility Cloak
> if they can't be seen on the top step, anyway?

Mike:
They are wearing the IC the whole time they're out scouting the 
Ministry. They aren't going to take it off before they apparate back.


> Carol, using up her fifth post to make her point clearer

Mike, you can have one of mine, I'm not going to use it :)


-< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/180829 >-

 7. There was concern over the painful scar Voldemort visions, about
 Voldemort invading Harry's mind. Why didn't Voldemort ever try to
 invade Harry's mind? Did the fact that Harry had a scar and that
 Voldemort presumably did not have anything to do with this?

> Carol:
> He did try to invade Harry's mind by planting visions in it, and
> he must have had some indication of how Harry was reacting or he
> wouldn't have known that his vision had succeeded (or the Prophecy
> orb had been destroyed).

Mike:
Anne and I had this discussion back a bit. I've come to accept 
Anne's explanation that there was some rudimentary communication 
in the Harry to LV direction. So LV could detect Harry's basic 
emotions from distance, much like he could tell if someone was 
lying even if he wasn't looking in their eyes. (Didn't Snape 
intimate that this was the case, that LV didn't need eye contact 
to detect a lie?) And when Harry was in an emotionally charged 
state, like he was in the Atrium facing Bella, possibly more than
mere emotions leaked through to LV.

But, in the case of the OotP Sirius vision, I was under the 
impression that Voldemort pictured the scene in his mind for Harry
to receive it. IOW, LV wasn't implanting it into Harry's mind, he 
was implanting it in his own mind for Harry to see. At least, that's
the way all the rest of the visions seemed to operate.


-< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/180834 >-

> DeeDee
> Hence we know DD has a scar upon his knee!!(now
> we know the reason for this scar)...

Mike:
Did I miss something? Could you explain why we know the reason
for DD'd knee scar?