Epilogue/ Horcruxes and Hallows

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No: HPFGUIDX 183375

> CJ:
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>> Go back four or five years through the archives of HPFG and you'll 
find 
> lots of people making wrong prognostications about what future 
books 
> would bring. What you won't find is a lot of complaining that we 
didn't 
> get what we were expecting.

Alla:

Just an aside, but IMO this has everything to do with the fact that 
we did not know whether we would get what we expected; the canon was 
not closed yet. I firmly believe that no matter how series would have 
been ended there would have been plenty of complaining. Nobody has to 
agree with me, but the more series I am finishing reading the more 
confirmation of this I get (my view of course).

And I am still to read the series as popular as Potter books which 
IMO have the most amount of fans.

There could be no complaining about what future holds for Snape, 
since we did not know what exactly it would be, right?

I mean, quite a few people for example predicted Snape and Lily, and 
quite a few (including me) were feeling very nauseous while imagining 
Snape pinning after that mane of red hair. Now, even though I 
eventually could see that it was coming in the clues ( and yes, have 
my preDH posts to prove it ;)), that did not make me feel any better 
about it.

BUT I could not know for sure, that it was coming, I was fairly 
positive, but I did not know, so how could I complain that I am not 
happy?

Now the way she did it certainly made me happy but I did not expect 
to be.

And the ending of the series? I certainly expected something more 
fascinating initially and if I would be told that the ending as it 
happened would make me so happy, I would be so very surprised.


No, I respect quite a lot all the criticizing, and believe me there 
were plenty of series with which ending I had an urge to complain and 
did so, but still I will never understand what the fact that JKR did 
not finish the story as one wanted her to ( and before you say so, I 
**know** that you are not saying it, as I said, I am responding with 
aside from the topic) has anything to do with her worth as a writer.


CJ: 
> Personally, I found the series really rocked my world through the 
first 
> five books before it began deteriorating. My criticism of the DH 
plot 
> line has nothing to do with my expectations; it has everything to 
do 
> with finding it a major distraction with very little payoff.
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Alla:

Okay, I perfectly see where you are coming from then. I mean, see not 
as in I agree at all, but certainly if I saw the ground for this 
criticism, this is to me the most understandable( Ugh, not as I can 
judge valid and not valid criticism) criticism of the writer, the 
story did not satisfy you, it did not suck you in, etc.

Me - ALL my expectations were paid off, period, full stop. But major 
part of them was not paid off in the way I imagined.

I wanted Harry alive, that is the only thing that happened precisely 
what I wanted.

I wanted Snape apologizing to Harry, begging for his forgiveness. Did 
it happen? NO, and still I was happy.

I wanted evil Snape or at least Life debt Snape, I was sooo hoping 
and did I get it? Nope, but the Snape that she portrayed satisfied me 
very much.

Okay, I guess the fact that she killed off so many adults and would 
not even let Lupin be alive and enjoy happiness with his son I would 
love to happen differently, but scene in the forest satisfied my 
longing to see Marauders young and joyful, even only in the afterlife.


I can go on and on.

Now, horcruxes and hallows, I guess I do have something to say after 
all.

See I **hated** horcruxes, hated, hated, hated and I also agree with 
you that I did not see much clues about Hallows either.

But I never expected the story to be about horcruxes or about 
hallows, if that makes sense.

Let me try to explain, to me horcruxes, hallows were nothing more 
than technicalities, to some extent superficial means with which JKR 
will tell story about people in Potterverse. I am not asking you to 
agree with me, but as much as I hated horcruxes per se, I certainly 
understood before DH that horcruxes are great technical means to tell 
the story about Harry's sacrifice and while I of course was never 
sure that Harry is a horcrux, I certainly thought it was a 
possibility precisely for that reason.

And yes, all other horcruxes could drop in our heroes lap or be 
destroyed right away, I believe that the main reason she brought them 
in is to make Harry one.

Hallows, well, I hear what Linda is saying, I do believe that it is 
possible that she wanted to bring them in right away from earlier 
books, but even if she did not, I totally understand why she would 
want to make them technical means to talk about temptations of power, 
temptations of immortality and if you are going to tell me that you 
see no clues in the earlier books about temptations of power and 
temptations of immortality, I am going to strongly disagree.

I do not believe that she ever intended to story be **about** either 
Horcruxes or Hallows, if that makes sense.


JMO,

Alla