Resolutions/Ron's Cloak/Slytherins are Bad

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No: HPFGUIDX 183517

Montavilla47:
<SNIP>
The problem I keep running into is that people tend to excuse
Harry's behavior here because he's under duress, or because Amycus
deserved it. Like they excuse Marietta's punishment or Umbridge's.
It's all so entertaining. It feels churlish to keep bringing up that
it's wrong to do these things.
<SNIP>

Alla:

After I read this paragraph I feel as if I am supposed to be 
apologetic for bringing up the idea that I do want to 
justice 
to triumph with whatever means is possible, with whatever means plot 
allows.
I most definitely one of the people who thinks that Amicus deserved 
it AND that it is wrong to do 
that too. Not because it is entertaining, no,although sometimes it 
is, but in none of the cases that you mentioned to me, to me it is 
carmic justice, that's all.

As I said many times, if in one story author would have the luxury to 
show us legal punishment of all bad guys, sure, I would love that.


But I think JKR had plenty of other things to talk besides telling us 
in details that every bad guy went to Azkaban or was killed or 
whatever.

Therefore I will take ANY bad thing that falls on the head of the bad 
guy, not because it is fun ( although sometimes it is), or because I 
necessarily approve of good 
guys doing those things. Believe me, if I like when something is done 
to bad guy it really does not necessarily translate in me approving 
good guy doing it.

I mean sometimes I approve, but not always.

So yes, I think that Umbridge deserved all of it and more. I think 
that 
Amicus deserved all of it and more, with the qualifier that I would 
have enjoyed just as much seeing a trial of his and him getting a 
life 
in Azkaban without parol. Umbridge does not even get a qualifier, the 
more pain is inflicted on her, the better as far as I am concerned. I 
just believe that sometimes in stories 
like 
this full blown legalities cannot be shown because of plot.

Do I think Marietta deserved it? Yeah, I do, sorry, with the 
qualifier 
that she deserved shorter term of punishment than she got.

Do I excuse Harry's behavior here? I went back and forth on it 
several 
times and came to an opinion that I do not **excuse** it, but I 
certainly understand why he did it.

Pippin:
<SNIP>
If readers felt good about what Harry did, then they're not opposed to
torture under any circumstances, despite what they may have thought.
If you really want to end torture, that's the reality you have to deal
with. Denial won't get us anywhere, I'm afraid.
<SNIP>

Alla:

Readers who feel good about what Harry did are not opposed to torture 
under any circumstances? Does this  assumption also applies to the 
readers like me who may not feel good about what Harry did, but whose 
sense of justice is satisfied by what Harry did? Hmmm, I guess that 
means that I do feel good about what Harry did, even if I do not feel 
good about **how** Harry did it. I would much prefer for example if 
not seeing Amicus in Azkaban, seeing somebody beat the crap out of 
him in combat or somebody killing him in combat. But do I want to see 
him suffer? Yes, you bet.

See, I do want to see the pain of students who suffered from Amicus 
and his lovely sister avenged. I do want Umbridge pay for all she 
inflicted on the Hogwarts and Harry in particular. I really am not 
feeling particularly bloodfirsty about Marietta anymore, but I do not 
think 
she should have gotten off scott free either, since I do 
believe that she placed the futures of the members of DA in grave 
danger.
 And in the fictional reality, I will take what I can get, really. 

Characters cannot get hurt, but I want good guys to triumph, and I am 
not obligated to feel that bad fictional guys deserve equal 
protection under the laws.

JMO,

Alla