GoF CH 13-16 Post DH look

[Carol]

No: HPFGUIDX 181850

Alla quoted:
> "On the other side of the Hall Draco Malfoy's eagle owl had landed
on his shoulder, carrying what looked like his usual supply of sweets
and cakes from home" - p.194
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> Alla:
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> Oh yeah, I never ever bought Malfoys being strict parents to Draco
and especially fanfics where Draco is portrayed as abused by Lucius.
This quote is one of the reason why. I think JKR always showed Draco
as being extremely spoiled, adored child. IMO of course.

Carol responds:
I never thought that Draco was abused, but there's definitely a
contrast between Lucius's treatment of him, for example, in CoS where
he orders Draco not to touch anything and tells him he should be
ashamed to get marks lower than those of "a girl of no wizarding
family" (quoted from memory) and Narcissa's Petunialike indulgence.
She's the one who doesn't want her son to go to Durmstrang because
it's too far from home. Until Lucius is arrested, Draco is always
saying things like, "Wait till my father hears about this," as if he
views his father as a symbol of power and authority (and, of course,
he's extremely upset by Lucius's arrest). I'd say that it's a
combination of soft mother, strict father (IMO, he loves his mother
and respects his father, at least until his arrest--though perhaps
there's a bit of respect for Narcissa and love for Lucius, as well). 

Alla quoted: 
> "Indeed, whenever Harry saw the two of them together - at mealtimes,
or when they passed  in the corridors - he had the distinct 
impression that Snape was avoiding Moody's eye, whether magical or 
normal" - p.210
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Alla:
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> In light of Snape being loyal to the light, I suddenly realized that
I am not quite sure why would he be avoiding Moody's eye if he has no
clue that Moody is a Fake one here.
> 
> I mean, if he thinks Moody is the real Moody, why would he care much
if Moody does not trust him, no scratch that, why would he worry much
as long as he knows that Dumbledore trusts him?
> 
> Now, if he suspects that Moody maybe Fake, Snape avoiding him makes
sense, I guess, but he does not suspect, his surprise at the end 
seems to be real.

Carol:
That's a tough one and I don't know the answer. However, I think that
anyone except maybe Dumbledore feels uncomfortable under the magical
eye, and Snape knows that the real Moody doesn't trust him, so that
makes him uncomfortable, too. And yet Snape can out-Occlumens
*Voldemort*, so it's odd that he would be discomposed by the man he
thinks is Moody. If he suspected "Moody" to be an imposter, I think
he'd be deliberately making eye contact, at least with the normal eye,
to use Legilimency on him. That he doesn't do so suggests that he
attributes Fake!Moody's very real dislike of him as "a Death Eater who
walked free" to his lack of punishment rather than an unwillingness to
acknowledge and suffer for his "master." Anyway, as intelligent as
Snape is and as touchy as his relationship with "Moody" is and as
skilled at Legilimency and Occlumency as Snape is, it's clear that he
doesn't suspect Moody as being anything but the paranoid, half-crazy
ex-Auror that everyone else, even Dumbledore, thinks he is. Otherwise,
Snape would surely have reported to DD that "Moody" had the Marauder's
Map (which DD doesn't know about until the end of GoF).

Alla quoted: 
> "The dormitory was completely silent, and had he been less 
preoccupied, Harry would have realized that the absense of Neville's 
usual snores meant that he was not the only one lying awake" - p.227
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> Alla:
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> How wonderfully she writes Neville's distress after that lesson, I 
think.
> 
> No hysterics, or anything, just show Neville not being able to sleep. 
> Love it.
> 
Carol:
Yes, a very subtle slip outside the usual Harrycentric point of view.
We're shown what Harry *isn't* aware of. Fortunately, he overcomes his
blindness to Neville's distress later in the book when he sees his
first Pensieve memory and learnss why Neville was raised by his
grandmother.

Alla quoted: 
> "We'll try that again, Potter and the rest of you, pay attention - 
watch his eyes, that's where you see it - very good, Potter very good
indeed! They'll have trouble controlling you" - p.232
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> Alla:
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> I need a refresher again. I do remember discussions about why Fake 
Moody taught Harry how to fight Imperius. I remember not very 
convincing to me argument that he wanted to see that somebody can 
control a curse he could not, but if he is actively trying to give 
Harry to his master, why would he do it?

Carol responds:
First, I don't think that teaching Harry to resist the Imperius Curse
was his original intention. And he didn't really *teach* Harry so much
as allow him to teach himself (and perhaps part of him got a sadistic
pleasure just from casting that curse on the Boy who Lived, just as he
surely received sadistic pleasure from the prolonged Crucio of the
spider). I think our clue is "They'll have trouble controlling you!"
Who could "they" be? IMO, people who don't want Harry to win the
tournament and have no scruples about casting an Imperius Curse on
him. I think he means primarily Karkaroff and secondarily Krum and
Snape (both of whom he'd be misjudging if I'm correct). Certainly,
he's not talking about anyone controlling Harry after he's been
Port-Keyed to Voldemort, whom Barty assumes is more than a match for
Harry. But, as usual, his words have a double meaning; "they" *seems*
to refer to Voldemort and his DEs, just as his resentment of DEs who
"walked free" seems to refer to DEs whose crimes went unpunished (as
the real Moody would feel).

Carol, who thinks that Fake!Moody must have used Draco's eagle owl to
communicate with Voldemort as there's also an eagle owl in Harry's
dream and he sees one returning to the castle not long before, IIRC