[HPforGrownups] Re: Some questions on the series as a whole ...

[k12listmomma]

No: HPFGUIDX 181894

>> Janelle: I've been looking for a reference to something else that
>> Hagrid says to Harry about what happened after his parents were
>> killed, but I can't remember when he says it or if this is movie
>> contamination, but somewhere before Harry learns about the
>> unforgivable curses Hagrid tells him that people came out of "trances"
>> (and now that I write it I feel like it could have even been Sirius or
>> Mr. Weasley that had this conversation with Harry).  I took this to
>> mean that people who had been under the imperius curse had come out of
>> it, which could have been used as evidence that Voldemort's power had
>> gone - leading to the early celebrations.
>
> Geoff:
> Oh, that's in the same conversation from which I quoted....
>
> '(Hagrid) "Some say the died. Codswallop, in my opinion. Dunno if he
> had enough human left in him to die. Some say he's still out there,
> bidin' his time, like, but I don't believe it. People who was on his side
> came back ter ours, Some of 'em came outta kinda trances. Don'
> reckon they could've done if he was comin' back."
> (PS "The Keeper of the Keys" pp.46 UK edition)

Shelley:
And, that same "coming out of trances" is mentioned in Deathly Hallows after 
Voldemort died.
Chapter 36, The Flaw in the Plan (page 744-745 US hardback edition)

"He (Harry) must speak to the bereaved, clasp their hands, witness their 
tears, recieve their thanks, hear the news now creeping in from every 
quarter as the morning drew on; that the Imperiused up and down the country 
had come back to themselves, that Death Eaters were fleeing or else being 
captured, that the innocent in Azkaban were being released at that very 
moment, and that Kingsley Shacklebolt had been named temporary Minister of 
Magic...."

It's true that the Imperiused coming back to themselves would be a sign of 
his death of the one that had ordered it, but it also would be a sign of 
loss of control of that spell, or the lack of need for it any more. If the 
Death Eaters had lost all connection to Voldemort that first time, and 
feared his death, then they would attempt to cover their tracks of 
association with Voldemort in hopes of slipping under the radar so that they 
wouldn't be punished. So, I think Hargrid was wrong in assuming that the 
Imperiused being lifted couldn't have happened if Voldemort was coming back- 
he just misestimated the time it would take Voldemort to regain a body and 
his control again. Hagrid was thinking immediate return, but the truth was 
that the connection was broken with the Death Eaters so much that some of 
them even thought he might have been dead, and that Voldemort was reduced to 
almost nothing, and that recovery wouldn't be an easy process.