The Seven Harrys (was Re: Dumbledore and other leaders WAS: Moody's death)

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 181988

Magpie:
> > I think it would have been safe to do it anywhere during the 
chase--
> > why wouldn't it have been safe? If Hagrid can't apparate that's a 
> > very good reason to bring somebody other than Hagrid--obviously 
you'd 
> > just bring 7 people who could apparate. Then Harry and whoever he 
was 
> > with would apparate together.
> 
> Carol responds:
> Mundungus Disapparated because LV was pointing his wand at him
> intending to kill him. His Disapparation caused the spell to hit, 
and
> kill, Mad-Eye. Had LV been aiming at one ot the other fake Harry's,
> I'm sure they would have attempted to fight back rather than
> disapparating and giving away the fact that they weren't Harry.
> Unfortunately, they would almost certainly have been killed in place
> of Mad-Eye.

Magpie:
Apparating is safer, then, isn't it? The person who lived was the one 
who apparated. A fake Harry might have attempted to fight back 
(wouldn't Harry himself fight back? Why would that give them away?), 
but it would be much smarter, it seems to me, to apparate as well. If 
Mad-Eye and Mundungus had both apparated neither one would be dead. 

Carol:> 
> The thing is, they weren't expecting LV himself to be there. And I'm
> sure that Mad-eye knew the risk he was taking, drawing the bulk of 
any
> DEs who might be present after himself and escorting the cowardly
> Mundungus.

Magpie:
I can't remember now--why was Mundungus there? If he's so cowardly 
and they want people who, faced with somebody who's about to kill 
them, prefer to try to fight than just disappear, why force him to 
come? Why is Moody drawing more danger to himself than necessary at 
all?

Carol:> 
> Assuming that Voldemort had come after a different pair, say Fred 
and
> Arthur (who were on brooms and, by Mad-eye's logic, more likely to 
be
> mistaken for the real Harry than the riders on Thestrals), were they
> both supposed to Apparate simultaneously if one was attakced rather
> than stay to fight?

Magpie:
Why not? Why is it so important for the characters that they stay and 
fight? Why not just apparate as soon as the DEs appeared to begin 
with? The point is to get from one place to another. Why not use 
their power to do that in the blink of an eye?

Carol:
 It's one thing for a broom to go speeding to earth
> out of the sky, as several of them must have done (along with the
> bodies of Moody and any Stunned DEs), but the trunks would have 
fallen
> out of the sky as well, endangering anyone who happened to be below
> them. (Talk about violating the Statute of Secrecy, although I'm 
sure
> that was the least of their concerns.) 

Magpie:
I don't think these are the kinds of things that would be concerning 
them at this point anyway. A dead body falling out of the sky with 
luggage might have hit somebody too. Who told them to load up with 
luggage to begin with anyway? If they just all Apparated quickly that 
would be that. Stick the luggage in a purse like Hermione's or shrink 
it. We never hear anything about protecting anybody on the ground.


Carol: 
> BTW, I wonder how a person Disapparates from a broom. Aren't you
> supposed to turn on your heel or something like that? Hard to do 
when
> you're flying.

Magpie:
I assume you can turn whatever way you turn and the heel is just to 
help beginners to get it. 

Carol:
> 
> Carol, pretty sure that the Order members were under orders not to
> Disapparate, and not just for fear of alerting the MoM but for fear 
of
> endangering each other and innocent people on the ground

Magpie:
But that's a stupid order. They wouldn't be endangering anybody on 
the ground if they just apparated to begin with and didn't bring a 
load of full-sized trunks to drop. A crashlanding motorcycle is just 
as dangerous as a dropped trunk. Harry's already breaking his trace 
using magic--not to mention they're having an air battle which is 
pretty noticable in itself. It seems like the main reason for not 
apparating is to have an exciting air battle at the beginning of the 
book. It makes perfect sense for Rowling as an author, but for 
Dumbledore as leader it's ridiculous.

-m