Wand allegiance

[pwrmom2]

No: HPFGUIDX 182077

> lealess:
> I just sort-of saw an analogy with Draco's "winning" of
> the wand in the first place. Essentially, Dumbledore
> seemed to be giving himself up to be killed by Draco, no
> matter what Dumbledore thought of his powers of persuasion
> or Draco's nerve. When Draco lowered his wand, what
> happened to the allegiance then? Why wouldn't the wand
> switch its allegiance back to Dumbledore? It's hard for me
> to see Draco as the more powerful wizard, in any event...
> he just had the element of surprise.
>
> Confusing the matter for me is that the Harry/Voldemort
> meeting in the forest was predicated on what Harry should
> have known were false premises, that Voldemort would spare
> others in exchange for Harry.  It seems futile, to give your
> life for a lie and loyalty to Dumbledore. It seems the wand
> would have transferred its allegiance to Voldemort the moment
> Harry gave himself up to be killed. Did it then switch back?


Pwrmom2:
   I wonder if we are actually adding more to it than JKR
intended.  My personal opinion is the wand was flat out
following who was taking it away from whom as its rightful
owner.  Draco had taken the wand away from Dumbledore, using
Expelliarmus, so even though Dumbledore eventually "talked him
down" therefore winning that particular battle with Draco, the
fact was Draco had managed to take the wand away from DD before
he was killed by Snape.  Harry then managed to take Draco's
wand away from him...even though it wasn't the Elder wand, I
think the lore is that the one who manages to "win" a wand away
from the other wizard is the winner, so even though the Elder
wand was buried with DD, it was still following the path of
who's taking whose wand.  Voldemort took the wand from DD's
body, but we all agree that didn't matter since the wand had
been won by Draco.   As for Harry giving himself up to Voldemort,
his wand (Draco's) was never taken away from him, therefore the
Elder wand recognized its true owner, which is why it never
worked properly for Voldemort and turned on him in the end.

   Also, if I understand it correctly, Voldemort passed out
because when he killed Harry, he was killing his horcrux, so
it affected him, my guess is due to proximity, plus their blood
was actually mixed.  Voldemort had Harry's blood in him so they
were joined together not just by the whole horcrux spell but
the spell that brought Voldemort back.  In addition, maybe the
Elder wand was giving him an extra kick back since it was ticked
off that it would be used against its rightful master (that's
my own imaginitive opinion, I admit).