ChapDisc - DH 16, Godric's Hollow

[bdclark0423]

No: HPFGUIDX 182233


--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...>
wrote:

>

>  "Caius Marcius" <coriolan@> wrote:

>

>  10. The second Scripture verse, upon the Potters' headstone, is from

>  Paul's First Letter to the Corinthians, 15:26 (the King James

>  Version).  Here is the passage in its context (from the New American

>  Standard Bible):> > reaction is that this is a Death Eater slogan. 
How does this

>  statement differ from the Death Eater philosophy?



<snip>



> Potioncat:

> I've seen the other replies to this question, but try as I might, I

> can't seem to work out how to best snip. So I came back to the source

> of the question.

>

>  <snip>

>

> Tom Riddle wanted to live on Earth forever. He kept a bodily form

> alive so that he could avoid death and moving on. In some ways, he

> was like a thick ghost. (by either meaning of thick.) He was no

> longer really a living human. Christians give up the earthly life for

> a Heavenly one.

>

> Paul's meaning is that through Christ by dying, we defeat death,

> because we have a new life in a new plane. Our body dies, but our

> soul lives.

>

> <snip>



bdclark0423 says:

Once again, great topic.  Unfortunately, you can't really understand
some of the contexts by just a One-Liner Epitaph.  I think perhaps both
Potioncat and Alla are correct.  The scriptures, (although they may be
missing some pages) were written so that anyone who were to read them,
could take away with them the message of GOD.  If conquering Death meant
actually getting out an Elder Wand and smiting him, fine, you've
conquered death.  But if you were to allow GOD's plan to include
existence beyond that which is corporal, then you also could also have
the same idea.



I apologize at this point if some of my thoughts aren't part of
standard belief, but rather my own research.  Through GOD's design
of creating physical life, he needed the subsequent action of physical
death.  This means he needed a directive, so to speak.  This would be
the fallen angel, Lucifer, who took the form of the serpent and is the
Prince of darkness, Ruler of death, etc, etc.  GOD also gave Lucifer the
ability to have physical form , since physical life was now considered
`the fallen angel's' realm.  Now, while he cannot take an
exact form, he can possess actual physical bodies.  So while, we as
humans have this physical life, in the end, we must forfeit the physical
life to physical death.



Best part of the plan, or `the next great adventure,' however,
is that Lucifer has no control of what exists outside the physical
universe.



Once we realize that, our only true enemy is the fear of physical death,
and then we know we have nothing left to conquer.



However, Lucifer still desires his dominance over physical life.  He
knows he will never conquer GOD, but he will do anything he can to
achieve his main directive and that is to seek physical death.  He seeks
to maintain havoc:  this means whispers in the dark, lies, mistrust,
power, false sense of power, corruption,  misconceptions/abuse of the
soul, etc.



This would obviously mean that our fear of death, fear of loss, fear of
whatever, would subsequently result in acting upon that.  The best
results would obviously be many, many deaths.  As in war, Totalitarian
regimes, envy, hate, etc.



Another interesting point to make is that the gospel of Judas is not
considered part of the cannon.  Some say that his gospel clearly
outlines some of these very aspects.  He never truly betrayed Jesus to
the Romans, only the physical body.  Jesus had the closest relationship
with Judas and according to what experts to believe to be part of
Judas' gospel was that the sacrifice of the physical body was what
was necessary to elevate the soul to that plane where we commune with
GOD.  Therefore, Jesus was seeking out the assistance of Judas to ease
him through what he knew must be done.  Sounds very much like Snape,
agreeing to killing DD, huh?  In the end, only one person knows how much
courage it took to play both these faces convincingly.  And of course,
in the end, we understand what these two epitaphs mean to us.



bdclark0423





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