GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry redux

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 182250

> CaroL
> And I submit that those people were killed before the Potters but
> after the Prophecy was known. All of the people named, including the
> Potters, were killed within a short time after the photograph was
> taken, and the Prophecy had been revealed considerably more than
> fifteen months before the Potters' deaths. <SNIP>

Alla:

Not that I think it matters, I mean Voldemort kept killing other 
people till he gathered the knowledge of how to kill prophecy couple, 
so what? Does not mean IMO that prophecy couple was not his favorite 
target, but I do not think we can say with certainty that photograph 
was taken after prophecy was already made.

I would think Potters would not have been on photograph and in hiding 
then.

Carol:
<SNIP>
( Why should the Potters do better than the Prewitt
> brothers, who between them took five DEs to kill?

Alla:

Because I do not remember reading that they defied Voldemort three 
times, that's why.

Carol: 
> You don't seem to understand that Voldemort was to all intents and
> purposes immortal because of the Horcruxes. <SNIP>

Alla:

Yeah, I do. I also understand that all it takes to destroy him is to 
destroy his horcruxes one by one and teenagers seem to do quite well. 
**Teenagers** and two of who, were without any special abilities. 
Just imagine Dumbledore telling order members what the things are and 
sending them to find those things. I sincerely doubt for example that 
Arthur Weasley would have been considered less true Gryff than his 
son.



>> Carol responds:
<SNIP>
>> You are probably recalling the scene in HBP in which Harry hears
> Morfin Gaunt speaking Parseltongue and DD says, "You understand what
> he's saying Harry, don't you?" or something like that. At that 
point,
> Harry realizes tha Morfin is speaking Parseltongue, which Bob Ogden
> clearly doesn't undersatnd. Dumbledore never states that *he*
> understands Parseltongue. He does, however, have a clear grasp of 
the
> situation and can have no difficulty guessing that Morfin is saying
> something along the lines of "You're not welcome [here]" (or "Get 
off
> our property" or some similar order or threat.


Alla:

YES, thank you, that's the one. Sure Dumbledore never says that he 
understands Parseltongue and still that was my impression that he 
understands it. Can what you describing be true? Of course, but I 
submit that there is nothing in the text to negate my speculation.


Carol: 
> We're never told that Dumbledore speaks Parseltongue. <SNIP> 

Alla:

I am snipping your explanation of why Dumbledore cannot learn 
Parseltongue just to say that sure, it is a nice speculation, but we 
do not know any of it. We do not know that Parseltongue cannot be 
learned, for all I know it is language same as for example Mermish, 
which by the way we know that Dumbledore speaks. He is very gifted 
and why he cannot speak Parseltongue, I am not sure.

**Harry** knows it from soul bit, how does it follow that nobody else 
can learn it, I do not know.



Alla:
> > So, yeah, I think somebody could do it, I really do not think 
that it 
> > matters who. IMO.
> 
> Carol responds:
> And there we differ. Harry is the hero of the books because he can 
do
> what no one else, not even the greatest Wizard of the age, 
Dumbledore,
> could do. <SNIP> No one else in the WW has those powers.
> To argue otherwise is to take away from harry's heroism, to say that
> anyone could have done it.
> <SNIP>


Alla:

LOL. Of course there is a chosen one to rely upon in the scenario 
that 
went in the story. I am talking about lazy WW and Dumbledore NOT 
having the Chosen one and his special powers to rely upon.

People are forced to do remarkable things if they know there is 
nobody who can do it for them. Just a personal example on the small 
scale. I went to Italy with a friend once. She liked to rely on me to 
hear to the directions, to read map and mind you I am not very good 
with directions myself. Guess what, at one day I flat out refused and 
told her that I want to relax and listen to the guide and not to 
memorize directions. And I am sure you guessed what happened, all her 
whining notwithstanding she read the map herself and lead us out, etc.

She did not have me to rely upon. 

And nothing convinces me that horcruxes cannot be destroyed by 
somebody else. I say Several people would destroy horcruxes, no 
matter how 
many years it takes and then somebody finish off Voldemort - without 
Harry battling him. 

JMO,

Alla