GoF CH 27-29 Post DH look/ Snape and Harry redux

[sistermagpie]

No: HPFGUIDX 182271

Montavilla47:

I wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean the AK bouncing off him in
the final confrontation. I think you're correct that at that point,
anyone who got past his dueling skills could have AK'd him.
(Although, if there's no blocking the AK, what do dueling skills
have to do with anything? He would have to dance around and
dodge it like Ginny with Amycus.)

I meant before the Horcruxes were destroyed. Again, it's never
stated. In fact, it's avoided in the book. But isn't the whole
point of the Horcruxes that you don't die? I'm thinking that
Voldemort, being oh so powerful and evil, vaporized himself
because his AK is just that much more so than someone elses
AK.

But, if James had AKed LV that night in GH, it wouldn't have
hurt him. Certainly, no one would have blamed James--or
anyone else--for using that curse on Voldemort, right? So
why not try it (other than the lack of a wand)?

Magpie:
Ah, I see. Yes, he wouldn't have died as far as we know, witha 
regular AK--that's what happened even with his own AK. I would think 
that what was different is that he was vaporized. It's not, I don't 
think, that the AK would have bounced off him, but that it would have 
only killed the soul bit that was in him at that time, so 1/7 of it. 
Perhaps he could have then resurrected that original body

> Carol responds:
> Ron and for that matter, DD, have access to a Sword of Gryffindor
> steeped in Basilisk venom because of Harry.

Magpie:
That's not the point. Of course any action that happened in the story 
is going to follow earlier events and so come back to Harry. But if 
you just remove what needs to happen from this story, so we're not 
trying to keep the story exactly the same without the central 
character, obviously there are other ways to get Basilisk venom than 
via Harry Potter. It's not about asking whether Ron could have done 
it if Harry was suddenly erased from the picture at that moment 
(along with everything he'd ever done) it's just saying that it's not 
impossible to imagine other ways that Voldemort could have still been 
taken out given what we know about him. 

He's a powerful individual wizard that has six other pieces of his 
soul around that need to be taken out. There are a number of things 
to use to do that. Ways that aren't sticking to everything the way it 
was in canon but erasing Harry from the scene. Horcruxes can be 
destroyed by ordinary Wizards. These particular ordinary Wizards 
happened to do it for reasons having to do with Harry (as everything 
does in this series), but if Harry had never been born or never been 
marked, there would still be ways for Voldemort to be destroyed. Just 
as even if Harry Potter had never existed, Ginny Potter could still 
have gotten married even though in canon the only person she marries 
in canon. Whether or not it happened, the possibility is out there 
for somebody (or somebodies) to figure out. Nothing has to happen the 
way it happened in canon, it's completely off-book. 

-m