Order members v Three musketeers SPOILERS WAS: Dumbledore and Snape that night

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Pippin:
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We know that James at least did not enjoy being in hiding, and from 
what Sirius
says, and
what Dumbledore says about the kind of man Sirius was, if there was 
fighting
going on
James would have liked to be in it. I think they had the sort of 
attitude that
Athos speaks
of in The Three Musketeers -- when the king tells them to go 
somewhere and get
killed,
they go and get killed. It isn't for the cause or for the king, it's 
for their
own personal
sense of worth, because they've given their word and because their 
friends are
counting
on them. It's why Sirius can tell Peter that he should have died, and 
why Moody
is so
disgusted with Mundungus, and why Harry is so accepting in the end of 
what he is
asked
to do.
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Alla:

LOL, you see Pippin, it just so happens that I am rereading Three 
musketeers right now ( for the umpteenth time) and I am just 
wondering how the close comparison  in attitudes of our order members 
about fighting and attitude of musketeers and their actions can even 
be compared.

Now, first and foremost I am just going to say that I do not believe 
that any remotely close comparison about attitudes of our order 
members about fighting and attitude of musketeers and their actions 
can even be compared since the wars they fought were drastically 
different IMO, I mean it is not like Gugenots from La Rochelle can be 
compared to DE, but um I am going to try regardless.

If the king tells them to go somewhere and get killed, they go and 
get killed
  You see, one of the key differences to me is that 
musketeers exercise independent thought and indeed act according to 
their sense of right and wrong, while order members do what 
Dumbledore says IMO.

Are Musketeers faithful servants of the King? Sure, they are, but 
when one of their own needs to do what his fair lady wants, they, you 
know, do it and go to find Englishman to get the jewels from him just 
because their friend wants them to. I mean, as we all know only 
D'Artanian gets to England safely, but you get my point. You are not 
going to tell me that King would have LOVED what they were going to 
do, eh?

What Sirius says to Peter in Shrieking Shack actually reminded me 
very much about musketeers, only you see  all the trust between 
Marauders was so eh, strong, that Remus did not even bother to fight 
for Sirius if he had any doubts about his guilt, that is.

Do I need to list all the circumstances when Musketeers save each 
other from the grasp of Richelieu, from the grasp of Mazarini in the 
later books, etc?

Nah, love Marauders as I am, I am afraid their friendship did not 
even come close to me to Musketeers' friendship. 

And yes, they love their country and go fighting in La Rochele, but 
they are not shy about saying what they really think  about killing 
gugenots whose only crime is singing psalms in French as they sing in 
Latin. Order members do what Dumbledore says and not question his 
decisions like at all. I cannot forget Molly not letting Sirius tell 
Harry about Prophecy because Dumbledore said so.

King on the other hand signed the edict that forbade the duels. Hmmm, 
I did not notice Marauders following it.

Again, let me stress I do not believe that attitude's comparison is 
really possible, since it is not like somebody in Three musketeers 
can be compared to LV.
But the key difference to me is that Musketeers are  not shy about 
exercising independent thought and doing what THEY think is best IMO, 
even if it is not what King thinks is best.

They love their country for sure, but well, I just do not see how you 
can compare attitudes here.

I have no problem with order members making independent decisions to 
enter the fight, I have huge problems with the white bearded man who 
plays their lives on the chess board, deciding who dies then, why and 
how. I am exaggerating of course, it did not happen in every 
situation, but you get my drift.

JMO,

Alla.