On Letters (was Re: Hmmm. What's your favourite *now*?)
Geoff Bannister
gbannister10 at tiscali.co.uk
Wed May 28 06:47:35 UTC 2008
No: HPFGUIDX 183055
--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "montavilla47" <montavilla47 at ...> wrote:
>
> > Geoff:
> > Just in passing, I think you meant "empathise".
>
Montavilla47:
> As for when or how Harry might have gotten one of the
> letters, I think he had a fighting chance to get one on the
> second (the day you didn't mention) when Vernon was
> fighting Dudley and Harry was choking Vernon.
>
> I think Harry did show some intitiative, by the way, on the
> third day, when he snuck down to get at the post first.
>
> On Saturday, 24 letters arrived. We don't know how or when,
> so it's hard to know what Harry's opportunities could have
> been.
Geoff:
We do. They were concealed inside two dozen eggs delivered
by the milkman.
> But, looking over that chapter, something comes to quickly
> to mind. Dudley was as curious as Harry was, and he's
> a lot more effective than Harry at getting his parents to do
> stuff. I know Harry and Dudley don't like each other, but they
> have a common goal. Working together they probably
> could have come up with a good plan.
Geoff:
I think their realtaionship was beyond "don't like". I think the
only reason he expressed an interest was because Harry, who
usually was the "Oliver Twist" of the family was actually getting
something which wasn't a cast-off from him.
> I'm including this snippet from your post:
<snip>
> May I remind everyone that Harry turns out to the most talented
> seeker in one hundred years at Hogwarts? This scene is like that
> key room, except Harry doesn't have to snatch one special key--
> any of them would do.
Geoff: Yes, but there is a subtle difference between jumping up into
the air off the floor and trying to grab a letter while being assailed by
Vernon and having the flexibility of being on a broom.
Montavilla47:
> I agree that the Pevensies are in a better position than Harry. But Lyra
> isn't (unless you want to count Pan as her helper). Sara (the Little
> Princess) is quite alone in the world, but she manages to do most of
> what she wants through sheer force of personality. And Dido Twite
> was foiling anti-monarchist bombing plots and sailing around the
> world as an undersized ten-year-old.
Geoff:
Sadly, I must reveal my literary ignorance.
:-)
Apart from the Pevensies, I am not acquainted with the other folk who
you name.
Geoff (previously):
> > I think I must launch it successor the QHBC (Quit Harry Bashing Club).
> >
> > To misquote the timeless words of a great American, 'Ask not what
> > Harry can do for you, - ask what you can do for Harry.'
>
> Montavilla47:
> You're mistaking my meaning, Geoff. I admit it is easy to mistake and
> it seems like I'm bashing Harry. I don't mean to. My post was in
> response to (was it Potioncat or Pippin? I know it was a "P" post), who
> said that JKR was deliberately making Harry into an "Everykid" by
> having him act in a mediocre way.
>
> My contention was that JKR was mainly interested in that passage with
> piling on absurdity upon absurdity to create humor, and that the
> reader needs to cut Harry a break in terms of his inability to snatch and
> read a letter in order to enjoy the joke.
Geoff:
I appreciate the absurd humour as well - trying to knock in a nail with a
piece of fruit cake and spreading marmalade on his paper for example.
My Harry-bashing comment wasn't specifically aimed at you. There are a
number of folk who seem to fit that category. Perhaps I should have put
a smiley after my QHBC remark.
My IWHTLC posts of last year were usually accepted as being semi-serious.
:-)
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