CHAPDISC: DH33, The Prince's Tale

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No: HPFGUIDX 184854

Pippin:
You think that five years of persecution does not provide a reason?
Does Sirius have to issue a specific challenge when for five years, he
and his friends have taken every chance they had to make Snape's life
a misery?

Alla:

That's a loaded phrase, five years of persecution, but for the sake 
of the argument, I will answer as if I agree with it. No, I do not 
think so.

Sirius did not issue any challenge, he told Snape how to open the 
door to the Shack, did he not? I would agree with you, if we were 
shown that Sirius gave Snape any provocation, **any** reason  to go 
to the Shack. What I see is Snape **wanting** to go there and Sirius 
giving him and an answer how to. Which to me just separate issue from 
Sirius **making Snape to go, provoking Snape to go, or entrapping 
Snape to go*.

Pippin:
I agree it was not Snape's business to expose werewolves. It was
likewise not Sirius's business to expose snoops, especially when he
was doing it so that he and his friends could continue their illicit
activities.

Alla:

And I would say that it is not Sirius' business to expose his 
friends. 

Pippin:
Bottom line, when Sirius told Snape how to get into the willow, he had
already done something wrong, same as it would be wrong for me to hand
out the keys to a friend's house or their internet log-in. It would be
an unbelievably lame excuse for me to say that I didn't tell anyone to
use them.

Alla:

Didn't I just say upthread that I agree that it was wrong for Sirius 
to expose a friend? So with this analogy I totally agree, however if  
somebody gives you a key to the room where you know something very 
dangerous is located and you still want to see it, um, well I think 
you (hypothetical you) are responsible for your choice to go there.

Pippin:
I would be morally responsible for *all* the consequences, as anyone
is when they do something unethical. <SNIP>

Alla:

Okay. For my part, I hold Sirius responsible for unethical, stupid, 
irresponsible behavior towards Remus. I am sure he wanted Snape 
getting a werewolf scare, however, when Snape is being portrayed as 
the victim of entrapment or trickery, I disagree with that. I do not 
see how Sirius entrapped or tricked him.

Snape exercised his free will to go and see if there is really 
werewolf there. Sirius did not **make** him to go. IMO anyways. I am 
definitely not saying that Sirius did something great by telling him 
how to go to the Shack. However again, holding him responsible for 
unethical behavior to me is way  different then holding him 
responsible for entrapping Snape. In my mind, Snape and only Snape is 
responsible for making decision to go. Oh boy was I ready to see 
before book 7 not only some sort of provocation from Sirius, but also 
I was ready to see that maybe Snape had no clue who was in the Shack.

Nope, I had seen no provocation and I am convinced that Snape knew 
pretty well that there was werewolf there.  I wonder did Snape ever 
think that he was actually completely wrong to go there in the first 
place. Somehow I doubt that. 

JMO,

Alla, counts to five and disappears