Headmaster for a day (was Prank WAS :Re: CHAPDISC: DH33, The Princ

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> Potioncat:
> Because Snape feels that Sirius's motivation in telling the secret 
of 
> the knot, was to get Severus killed. Most of us don't think Sirius 
> thought it out that much. But Snape does think that.

Alla:

Maybe we will finally get to the crux of the matter for me. So, here 
is the follow up question. How can **anybody** think that if somebody 
gives them the information, dangerous information to be sure, but 
information how to get to the place where I want to go myself, is 
planning on killing them. Meaning, that no matter what that other 
person gives me, without **me going** their plans are **not going to 
happen**, ever. So, I think I would be biggest hyppocrite on earth if 
I would dare to say that other person tried to get me killed. Does it 
make sense?

 
>Potioncat:
<SNIP>
> But as far as this goes, neither Black nor Snape grew up. And 
neither 
> thinks back on what idiot boys they were.

Alla:

Yes.

> Potioncat:
> It's probably too late for me to be reading posts, but I'll ask 
> anyway. You don't mean, you think Sirius "did" think Severus 
deserved 
> to die, do you?--you don't mean it really was his intention?---I 
> mean, even most of us who don't like Black don't think he really 
> intended Snape to die.

Alla:

Ah but you see, but I fully accept the existance of such 
possibilities, me who loves Sirius' character dearly. See, as I said 
before I think that after book 7 we can never say for sure whether he 
wanted Snape to die or not. Do I believe it? NO, I do not. Do I think 
it is possible? Sure, I do. It will not make me like the character 
any less, you know, if we would have known for sure that he wanted 
Snape dead.

That is why I just cannot figure out where people see me absolving 
Sirius' of responsibility, because intent wise, now, I think that 
murderous intent cannot be disproved either.

But no matter what he may have wanted to happen to Snape and no 
matter what secrets he gave to Snape, Snape still went and Sirius as 
far as I am concerned, did not trick him to go, did not plan to kill 
him, he foolishly gave him an information that he would not supposed 
to.

I am sure he had some idea that Snape may have want to use it, but as 
far as I am concerned he had no way of **making Snape to use it**, 
Snape and only Snape did that IMO.



> 
> Alla:
> Snape still went 
> > on his own.  Sirius is hugely responsible for telling the secret, 
> > just not for Snape going IMO.
> 
> Potioncat:
> That right. Both boys have an equal share of responsibility for the 
> danger Snape faced.

Alla:

Absolutely, listen maybe I am just arguing semantics, my thing in 
Prank is Sirius tricking Snape and making him to go to the Shack, 
that makes me object strenuously. But I certainly do not think that 
Sirius is not responsible or anything.

And just an aside to Montavilla (I think), no issue whether Snape 
deserved it or not is not crucial for me at all. Nobody **deserves** 
being bitten or eaten by werewolf, not even Snape (although boy, when 
I am looking from within the story, boy I cannot help but think how 
Potters could have been safe and sound, but whatever). But also I do 
not think that Sirius deserves in my mind to be called somebody who 
tricked Snape to go. And neither I am agreeing with dear Snape he 
tried to kill me anymore.

Potioncat:
<SNIP>
> You are responsible for the consequences of your actions.
> Snape is responsible for Lily's death, even though he didn't intend 
> it, and tried to prevent it. Sirius would have been responsible for 
> Snape's death if the werewolf had gotten to him. Of course, Snape 
> would also share the responsibility for it, but he would be dead.

Alla:

Of course, absolutely, without any question Sirius could have some 
responsibility for Snape being dead. Although if I imagine legal 
proceedings, I somehow think that even Snape being dead,  if what he 
did will be proven, Sirius' responsibility will still not be that 
huge.

But morally, sure, he will be hugely responsible.

JMO,

Alla