Headmaster for a day (was Prank WAS :Re: CHAPDISC: DH33, The Princ

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 184973

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "dumbledore11214" 
<dumbledore11214 at ...> wrote:
>
> > Alla:
> > > 
> > > Snape put himself in his mental prison and somebody else put 
> Sirius 
> > > in a very real prison.
> > >
> > Pippin:
> <SNIP>
> > This overlooks that Sirius  had his own guilty feelings for 
> suggesting
> > the plan that got the Potters killed.   He  knew he was innocent 
of
> > the crime he'd been sentenced for. But I'm not sure he thought he
> > deserved to be free. Surely it didn't take him twelve years to 
lose
> > enough weight to slip through the bars as a dog.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> No it does not overlook that. It seemed to me that Potioncat was 
> comparing Snape's situation and Sirius' situation and I said that 
I 
> can see distant similarities in their mindsets. However, I stand 
by 
> my assertion that Snape's situation was not just *not as bad* as 
> Sirius, but much better and easier on Snape.
> 
> I have not noticed Snape, him feeling guilty and all, having any 
> desire to go and spend some time in Azkaban. I know, we are not in 
> Snape's head, however Dumbledore made sure he won't go there and I 
do 
> not remember him fighting that.

Leah: Snape himself says something similar to Bellatrix, "I had a 
comfortable job which I preferred to a stint in Azkaban!.  I know 
that's Snape spinning a yarn to Bella, but I don't imagine he would 
have claimed he was in a equal place to Azkaban on a physical level.

We don't see any conversation between Snape and Dumbledore about 
keeping Snape out of Azkaban, so it's pure conjecture what Snape may 
or may not have said about it.  What we do hear is Snape's immediate 
reaction after Godric's Hollow: "I wish I were dead" and 
narrator/Harry describes him as sounding like a wounded animal. 
Dumbledore then gives Snape a reason for living - protecting Harry.  
Snape can't do that in Azkaban, he can't help defeat Voldemort in 
Azkaban.  So he remains at Hogwarts, but I agree that mentally he is 
prison.     

. Mindsets - sure, they are both feeling 
> guilty, besides that - no, not in my opinion.
> 
> And even though I understand why Sirius is feeling guilty, even 
what 
> he is feeling guilty about is incomparable with Snape's. IMO of 
> course.

Leah: But that's your view, not Sirius' view. What Sirius will see 
is that the Potters would have been safe if he had been their Secret 
Keeper; the fact that he was not the Secret Keeper, was because he 
persuaded James to use Pettigrew instead.  Both Snape and Sirius 
have something to be guilty over, though Pettigrew is more guilty 
and Voldemort the guiltiest of all. But I don't imagine Sirius is in 
any mental condition to start compiling lists of culpability.  He 
has to deal with what he did 'wrong'.    

> 
> 
> Pippin:
> > It was not until Sirius realized that Harry was in danger that he
> > found the will to free himself. And that is a definite parallel 
to 
> Snape.
> 
> Alla:
> 
> What part of Snape's life you think it is a parallel to? Are you 
> talking about Snape agreeing to protect Harry when he first comes 
to 
> Dumbledore? But then the argument that Snape was continuing to be 
in 
> prison for his stay in Hogwarts, mental one, does not have much 
merit 
> IMO. Or are you talking about something completely different?

Leah: Answering for Pippin here ,but, Snape wants to die until 
Dumbledore gives him a reason for going on - saving Harry. Sirius 
wants to remain in prison (or at least has no motivation to escape) 
until the newspaper gives a reason for getting out. I think that's a 
parallell. 


Leah











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