Headmaster for a day (was Prank WAS :Re: CHAPDISC: DH33, The Princ

[littleleahstill]

No: HPFGUIDX 184994

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "potioncat" <willsonkmom at ...> 
wrote:
>> I don't think he can get too close to his students. He can't make 
an 
> effort to turn his Supremacist Slytherins and still face LV. I 
wonder 
> if Snape has any guilt over his students who joined LV? And I 
wonder 
> what the Malfoys' opinion of Snape is now that it's all over?
> 
> So he has his own emotional state of grief and guilt, combined with 
a 
> limited support system. It isn't much different from the emotional 
> state we see with Merope and Tonks.

Leah: (Agreeing with everything that I've snipped). I think the above 
are interesting questions.  I agree Snape couldn't get too close to 
his students and therefore,on the face of it, giving Slytherin a Head 
of House who couldn't openly speak against Voldemort seems another 
failure of responsibility towards that house by Dumbledore. 

However,do we in fact know how many of Snape's Slytherins joined in 
the second war?  The Death Eaters we see in GOF are obviously all old 
hands, but the 'new' ones we get in later books, Yaxley and the 
Carrows for example, are all IIRC cited by Snape in 'Spinners End' as 
being ones who didn't look for Voldemort after his disappearance and 
therefore they were also old timers from Voldywar 1. The only one I 
think not named by Snape is Thorfinn Rowle and from his name he may 
be ex-Durmstrang.  At any rate there's nothing to say he was a 
Slytherin taught by Snape.

That leaves Stan Shunpike (did he go to Hogwarts?), Draco (who is 
made a Death Eater to serve Voldemort's purposes) and possibly 
Crabbe - do we know if he was marked or not? 

So as far as we are told, Slytherin's record of producing Death 
Eaters seems less under Snape than it was under Slughorn, who was 
House Master to Snape himself, Bellatrix, Lucius, the LeStranges, 
Regulus, Mulciber, Avery, Rosier, Wilkes at least.  Some of that must 
be due to people knowing more about Voldemort in the nineties than 
the did in the sixties and seventies.  I wonder if Snape managed anti 
Death Eater propaganda by being the way he was - no one was likely to 
say, "How about becoming a Death Eater - after all, Snape was one,and 
everyone thinks he's a really great guy".

The only counter-suggestion is Voldemort telling Lucius that Draco 
did not join him 'like the rest of the Slytherins'.  That always 
seemed confused and ambiguous to me. Was it meant to be 'Just like 
the rest of the Slytherins, Draco didn't join me' or 'Unlike the rest 
of the Slytherins, Draco didn't join me".  And then there's JKR's 
interview statement about Slughorn fetching reinforcements.  

As to the Malfoys, I would really have like to know more about the 
Snape/Malfoy relationship. Clearly by HBP, Narcissa's chief 
motivation was saving her son, and having lied to the Dark Lord 
herself she can hardly complain about Snape, who in fact has saved 
Draco twice.  I think Lucius was so badly treated in DH that he 
probably would have forgiven Snape's betrayal as well.  I wonder what 
Draco made of it all?

               
> 
> Someone posted that Severus wouldn't have gotten over Lily because 
> this is JKR writing the story. And that's a very good point. (I'd 
> attribute that idea if I could find the post.) Again, he's a male 
> version of Merope and Tonks. 
> 
> It still seems to me that he had "gotten over" Lily for several 
> years. She ended the friendship in 5th year. So there was what--
about 
> 4 years of no relationship? All the while he's involved in 
activities 
> that would harm her. She was actively opposing LV; he was a DE. He 
> may have held a warm spot in his heart for Lily, but he wasn't 
pining 
> for her. It was his guilt at her death that rekindled the intense 
> emotions.
> 
> As to Pippin's posts, all I can say is, "Me too."

Leah: All true, I think.  I suspec there were a few 'women of purer 
blood' during Snape's Death Eater days.

Leah 
>