Caring about people

[zanooda2]

No: HPFGUIDX 184646

--- In HPforGrownups at yahoogroups.com, "pippin_999" <foxmoth at ...> 
wrote:

> The DE's are only interested in Harry, and won't care who actually
> performed the spell. They will be able to prove through the Trace
> that apparation (or whatever) was performed in Harry's vicinity, and
> that he is the only wizard who is supposed to be in the area. That
> will be enough to accuse him, by WW standards.


zanooda:

OK, I can agree with this part. If the Ministry *really* can detect 
Apparition near an underage wizard (which is just an assumption on 
our part), that could mean more trouble for Harry, although I'm not 
sure that Scrimgeour would have authorized his arrest at that point 
of time.


> Pippin wrote:  
 
> The Ministry DE's can  deduce that Harry will celebrate his birthday
> at the Weasleys just as Scrimgeour did, at which point they could 
> have apprehended him.


zanooda:

Now, this I don't agree with :-). The DEs didn't know that Harry was 
at the Burrow, Lupin said so in "The Bribe"(p.206) - that's why they 
tortured Scrimgeour, and that's why they raided all the safe houses, 
not just the Burrow. 

I don't think Scrimgeour *deduced* that Harry was at the Burrow, he 
just knew it. The Ministry helped to put protective spells on the 
safe houses, and the Minister had the right to know. But he was 
probably the only one at the Ministry who knew, that's why he got 
tortured.


> Pippin wrote: 

> There isn't much logic to WW law enforcement -- after all, it never
> seems to occur to them that Morfin is no longer an underage wizard 
> and couldn't have triggered the Trace which proved that magic had
> killed the Riddles.


zanooda:

Oh yeah, I remember asking this question right after the book was 
out :-). But later I thought that we don't really know if the Trace 
is something ancient or maybe it is a recent invention (we didn't 
even hear anything about it until DH, LOL). Maybe there was no Trace 
in the 40s. We don't even know when that law (or whatever it was) for 
the restriction of underage wizardry was passed. Or do we?

Anyway, you are right, not much logic in WW law enforcement :-). For 
example, at the beginning of OotP Harry is in big trouble with the 
Ministry for using magic, but then his advance guard arrives and 
starts doing magic all around him. There is no reaction from the 
Ministry whatsoever. Did DD arranged this with Fudge? I don't know, 
DD wasn't Ministry's favorite back then :-). Just doesn't seem 
logical, that's all :-).