Snape and moral courage WAS: Re: The Houses, Finally

[dumbledore11214]

No: HPFGUIDX 184675

Pippin:

In a chivalric world view there is no protection for Harry or anyone
else outside the moral order.

Nor can Harry live if Voldemort survives. <SNIP>

Alla:

Pippin, quite honestly I do not find anything that you wrote in the 
snipped part of the paragraph relevant to the point I am making at 
all.

I am saying that Snape did not fulfill his promise to protect Harry, 
Harry as a living and breathing being. NOT his soul, not protect him 
from watching his friends dying, I mean,  I do not remember Snape 
making all those promises you seem to be implying he really was 
making.

I am saying that he did not fulfill his promise to protect **Harry**, 
that's all. He followed Dumbledore's plans. I totally understand if 
you consider those plans noble, good for all mankind, for Harry's 
soul, whatever.

**Harry** as far as Snape knows has to die. Snape promised to 
**protect** him. You truly do not see a contradiction here? I start 
to feel as if I am talking crazy here and really am missing something.

But thank goodness  there is Magpie, so if I really am that unclear, 
please take another look at this post of hers, she expressed  
everything that I wanted to say on that point.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HPforGrownups/message/184672


Pippin:
<SNIP>
I don't think it's a weak inference, just one that takes a bit of
logic to work out, like the other.

Slughorn returns at the head of a crowd that looks like the citizens
of Hogsmeade, the relatives of the fighters, and "the friends of
every Hogwarts student who had remained to fight." If these last
aren't some of the students who left, how does Harry deduce that
they're friends of the others?<SNIP>


Alla:

OH I LOVE it!


Pippin:
Take a look at CoS. There's more sympatico between Draco and Goyle
than Draco and Crabbe. <SNIP>

Alla:

OOOOOO, when you are right, you are right. LOVE it again. I still do 
not think that it proves that Crabbe was using them, but I totally 
think it is more plausible now.